The Interplay of Polyamory and Cuckolding Explored - With Ms Radio Sapphire

What happens when you embark on a journey of love that expands beyond the realm of monogamy? This week, CuckNextDoor joins Venus to sit down with Ms. Radio Sapphire to unfold the complexities and beauty of polyamory, shedding light on the significant role transparency and communication play in maintaining these relationships. Ms. Sapphire reveals her path of self-discovery, from swearing off love to the profound realization of her partner's deep affection.

Dive with us as we chart a course through the sea of polyamory and its potential overlap with the cuckolding, which is sure to intrigue and educate. Ms. Sapphire offers a glimpse into her world as the only black partner in her polyamorous circle, her relationship with her supportive tribe, and the carefully chosen words she uses to explain her lifestyle to her coworkers.

This episode is a rich exploration of contrasting relationship styles that will leave you questioning your own perceptions of love and relationships.

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Coming up on the show with Ms Radio Sapphire.

Speaker 2: 0:06

Polyamory is what you make it to be, but one thing you need to be is very open, secure. Jealousy it happens, but you need to control it. You know boundaries have been tested and we always rehash. You know rules and relationships all the time, like we do frequent check-ins, which happens biweekly for us and I tell people you know if you're not checking into your relationship, is it really a relationship to begin with the people that I have a very loving relationship, my tribe, and Polyamory in general and being in the lifestyle it got me entuned with the ability to love and to freely just like start seeing the things that others see in me. I vowed I was not gonna fall in love like fuck relationships, fuck love. I now know oh God, this makes me very emotional I now know that this man truly does love me.

Speaker 1: 1:43

I'm a queen's quarters fan destination. Book a one-to-one chat with me, listen to the private podcast and even get access to my secret Snapchat group, where I share some of my most intimate encounters. Now sit back, make yourself comfortable and let's dive right into this episode. Welcome to this episode, everybody. I'm your host, venus. This is the Venus Cuckolders podcast, and this is gonna be a great show, and the announcements I have beforehand, oh my God. Okay, on the show today I have Ms Radio Sapphire and she has one of the longest running podcasts on sexual health and lifestyle education in the world, and we're gonna talk today about polyamorous relationships and the cuckolding overlap.

Speaker 1: 2:50

It is a fascinating conversation. This is gonna be really, really good and, for the first time ever on this show, I have a co-host joining me. This is so awesome. You might have heard of him before. He goes by the name of Cucknextdoor and he's on the Moan App often. He's gonna help me out with this show today and, yeah, it's definitely good and okay, let's get started with the announcements. These are big, like big ass announcements. Wait till you hear it.

Speaker 1: 3:28

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Speaker 1: 5:21

Number three Hot Wife Palooza. You may have remembered I talked about this last year. It's been. There's been a Hot Wife Palooza takeover hotel takeover event party two years prior, and so this is the third one. I've not been able to make it to any of them, but I will be appearing at this one in Arizona.

Speaker 1: 5:45

This is happening the weekend of September 15th and I'm just reading the list of things going on for this event. It's pretty big, so this is just like wow. Okay, they have four parties, two bonus activities, a clothing, optional pool, a jacuzzi, an epic group play facility and, of course, they have a big group of single guys, single gentlemen, who understand how to contact themselves. I would hope so they better behave in themselves. These groups truly do know how to create a safe, uplifting environment so that guests can let their hair down that's what it says in the description and enjoy every hour of their weekend experience. So it is the whole weekend. It's at a boutique hotel in Tucson, arizona, from, like I said, september 15th to the 17th, and I think last year there was like over 300 people that attended.

Speaker 1: 6:47

So it's a big party, but not too big. So it sounds like a good size where you can like get to know people, hang out and have fun. It sounds like it's gonna be great. I know my friend, doc Chocolate is gonna be there. So for all of you listening and you've been waiting for the day that I meet Doc Chocolate in person it is happening and Hot Wife Palooza in Arizona in September. So there you go, it's gonna be lots of fun. So make sure if you want to come to this event. This is for couples and single gentlemen I guess our bulls. If you wanna go to this event, then you can RSVP and register. You can just go to venuscuckledresscom it's on the events page or you can visit the website HotWifeCommunitycom. The link will be in the show notes for today. So, yes, I'm finally able to make it to Hot Wife Palooza. It's gonna be fun, it's gonna be hot, it's gonna be spicy.

Speaker 1: 7:53

Last but not least, in August I will be doing another live radio show on GTFO Radio. This time it's gonna be Tuesday, august 15th, at noon Pacific time, at 3 pm Eastern. And if you miss it, if you miss any of those live radio shows cause I have awesome guests and it's like a ton of fun then you can just catch them in the Queens Quarters community. If you're a Friends Benefits tier member or a helpful Cuck tier member, then you get access to those replays as well as the pillow talk replays. So there you go, another tier benefit for you. Okay, that's it for announcements. Let's jump into today's show. Here we go.

Speaker 1: 8:48

Joining me on the show today, I have the one and only Miss Sapphire. She is Black queer, polly Am. Miss Sapphire is not your average radio personality. Since 2009, when she became the youngest on air producer ever for SiriusXM, sapphire has been heard on a wide variety of outlets, including CBS Radio and iHeart Media, and worked behind the scenes in the adult industry since 2012, when Playboy asked her to be a host and producer. Wow, and this keeps going on here. Currently, sapphire is one of the premier hosts of the Moan app, a sex forward platform for moderated conversations. Her world famous podcast of 14 years, sapphire's earplay is now in the top 2% of podcasts worldwide and both 98,000 listeners each month. In addition, you can hear Sapphire reporting traffic for Real 92.3 in LA and the Black Information Network on iHeart Radio, threading sex positivity and creating safe spaces for sex workers. Sapphire continues to be at the forefront of the audio world. Welcome to the show, miss Sapphire. Say hello to everyone.

Speaker 2: 10:04

Hi everybody, thank you so much. I know that bio is important, but yeah, I tried. No, no, you know what? Honestly, it's kind of crazy when you talk about your life and what you do in an industry for that long. So thank you.

Speaker 1: 10:20

There's a lot of bragging rights in that bio. I'm like damn.

Speaker 2: 10:25

You're like oh gee, podcaster, yeah, yeah honestly, before podcasting became a real thing, I remember when I first started people were like what the fuck is a podcast? And I was like, oh, it's like a radio after show and people were like, okay, cool. And then all of a sudden people started hearing more and at one point I was in competition with Sex with Emily. And I remember meeting Emily Morse a couple years after I graduated and she came to Playboy and she's like you're the bitch that keeps going back and forth with me on the radio.

Speaker 1: 11:03

I'm like like do it all love, Like yeah, it was great.

Speaker 2: 11:09

So yeah, it's kind of wild. I'm 34 now and, yeah, I've been doing this for a hot ass minute Fuck yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 1: 11:20

Also joining me today on the show, I have a fucking wonderful co-host. I have Cucknex Store joining me. Some of you listening may recognize that name. He's often on the Moan app as well Good friend of mine and he's here to help me out today. And damn do I need help up. I need help today I do so I'm super happy to have you here with me as well. Cucknex Store. Hello to all the listeners.

Speaker 3: 11:47

Hello Venus listeners and everybody out there. Venus is a pleasure being on this platform with you. I've listened to you for a long time and being able to chat with you on Mone as well is always so much fun. You too, Ms Sapphire, like just being on Mone and just the relationship that we've built. It's just been really pure and genuine with both of you ladies. I'm just happy to be here with both of you this Saturday afternoon and have a good time. Have a great time. Talk about polyamory, maybe some cuckolding. I'm just sure your friendly neighborhood cuck next door.

Speaker 1: 12:29

I love the name it's so great.

Speaker 1: 12:32

In this episode we're just putting a giant shout out to the Mone app. I've been talking about the Mone app ever since it launched. It's such a great platform. Now that Twitter is fucking nose diving into whatever the fuck it's I don't know some weird place it's going. Yeah, I feel like that's where I'm going to be spending more of my time is on the Mone app and the Queens Quarters community on VenusCuckolderscom. But yeah, the Mone app is wonderful and it really connected the three of us together a lot over the last little while. So, all right, let's dive into today's topic polyamory. Now you okay this polyam. This is a new word for me. I didn't know what that was. So can you give our listeners a little idea of your history when it comes to your relationship style and how you kind of got to where you are today?

Speaker 2: 13:30

Oh God, okay, so it's crazy. For the longest, I like to say that I was a hoe, not a. No, I'm a pro, not a hoe. So it's like my sexual history has been long and monogamy, as I've realized throughout my years of not really dating but just having a lot of sex. It was just never my thing and because of the fact that I'm queer, I like to joke around and say that I'm 99% lesbian, 1% bisexual. And I realized that when I came into the relationship that I have with Mr Suit and Tie, also known as Benjamin, on the Mone app.

Speaker 2: 14:11

We got together around like 2016, 2017, and we were establishing a relationship that was unlike any other that I have formed before, and it was just the fact that we were so open and free sexually together that we came across another couple who experienced polyamory, which means many loves to people who don't understand what that means. So it is a set of like ethical, non monogamy where all partners are seeking out multiple loves. Some people date together, some people date separately and you know, it's just like an. It is kind of like an open relationship, but it really isn't, because there's still the rules of a relationship between trust, freedom, open mindedness, etc. Etc. So when the certain I decided to become polyamorous, it was still on to the basis of our we boyfriend and girlfriend, no. But we want to establish this polyamorous relationship because we were pretty much dating all the same people and fucking the same people and establishing not just relationships but also really good, meaningful friendships. That was like unlike any other. So then, around 2019, we made things official. We're in love with each other, we live together now and we have a tribe of two other people, including the couple that introduced us formally to polyamory.

Speaker 2: 15:42

It was a term that I had heard before, even in college, but it was nothing I thought of an interest of. But my girlfriend and her boyfriend and my man, suit and tie. We formed a tribe and we all date each other. The men are not sexually attracted to each other at all. It's just, you know they're like our anchors and we just have a very loving relationship where, you know, sometimes we go on dates together, sometimes we go on dates separately and you know we're friends at the end of the day.

Speaker 2: 16:12

And I think when it comes to polyamory, people think that there's only one way to kind of practice it. But as I've developed more relationships with other people in the community. Polyamory is what you make it to be, but one thing you need to be is very open, secure jealousy. It happens, but you need to control it and we can get into that later. But I want people to understand that it's not polygamy because none of us are married and it's not a sex thing. You know, sex is a bonus, but it's not something that is required to practice polyamory. And, as Venus and I have talked about on my own show with her, you know there are similar parallels to the Kacolding community which we can get into as well.

Speaker 1: 18:03

Yeah. So I'm so glad that you explained that, because I'm like, okay, how's it different from open relationships? And I like that you said that it's however you make it Like it's you know, I guess unique to everybody, but was there a process in the beginning where you guys kind of sat down and hashed it out as far as, like what this is going to be like, what are the rules, boundaries and limits and all that sort of stuff?

Speaker 2: 18:28

Absolutely, and you know the sir and I we've been together for a hot minute and rules and you know boundaries have been tested and we always rehash. You know rules and relationships all the time, like we do frequent check-ins, which happens biweekly for us, and I tell people you know, if you're not checking in your into your relationship, is it really a relationship to begin with, because you just like bring it up and every week, just oh, hey, it's yeah, every other week with our relationships and you know we talk about everything.

Speaker 2: 19:06

You know we set the phones down, we share a glass of whiskey, wine, I'll play some vinyl, some music in the background. Sometimes we're naked, so we're completely vulnerable and we assess our relationship and talk about where we are and you know how are things and everything like that. You know I have Are you?

Speaker 1: 19:23

are you able to give me some examples of what your rules and limits? Oh?

Speaker 2: 19:28

absolutely so. Um, actually we had a threesome unexpected a couple of days ago and so, um Friday night, we did a check in just to make sure. You know, we were each equally okay with what had happened. And you know, some of the rules that we have had before is that if somebody is going to have a date, we prefer to go to the said dates home, or we go to a hotel, airbnb, whatnot. Most of our partners all have their own spaces, so we usually just go to their spaces and have the dates, unless if they're part of the tribe. We don't necessarily have sex with people without each other in what I call our loving bed. It's just a boundary thing for me. I don't want to walk into a situation, especially with somebody that I'm not a part of you know, and see my man fucking a chick that I really don't know or I don't really date. So that's like my personal boundary. I also am a German folks, so I'm kind of like it's not my girlfriend, ain't happening. None of them.

Speaker 1: 20:44

I know a lot of people listening are probably wondering about the sexual health aspect of having multiple regular partners.

Speaker 2: 20:55

Yes, so I openly have HSV, which is herpes. Now, for all the people that might be pausing right now and be like ew herpes, first of all, herpes is very common and, if you really want to break it down, one in five people have herpes and probably don't even know it until the first outbreak happens, and I got my herpes diagnosis at the start of 2020. That's how my shit show of 2020 stopped.

Speaker 3: 21:22

Shit.

Speaker 2: 21:24

Especially waking up on New Year's Day after having glorious sex, I knew something was wrong with my body. Now, three years later, I have not had an outbreak since March of 2020. And I continuously get myself tested. All my partners get tested, and my sir and I were actually. We have sex unprotected and he has yet to have herpes and he, too, gets checked frequently. So more of the story is no matter what type of sex you're having, please make sure to share it. Please make sure you're getting tested and getting tested regularly, whether it's every year, every three to six months, which I highly recommend, especially for those who may have STDs. Stis get tested as frequently as possible, and you do need to specifically ask your doctor to get tested for herpes. By the way, it is not on the full screening panel, so that's something to also keep in mind. But we also try to limit.

Speaker 2: 22:26

I'm what we call now a selective hoe. I don't have sex with pretty much everybody. My man, however, he is a hoe and he loves it when I call him that. So don't worry, that's not me degrading him at all, because he is my sir, he is my Dom at the end of the day, and it's a very respectful, loving relationship. But I am now selective and it also has to do with effective HSD. If you're not mature to have the conversation with me about having sex with me with such HSD, it's a great way to vet out the partners that I don't need entering my body Period. So, with that said, we do go to sex parties, we do go to swing or parties. We do go to dungeons and I've only been rejected one time and honestly, to be honest, I dodged a bill with that one.

Speaker 2: 23:16

But everybody I've talked to and encountered people understand they get it and most of the time when you're in this lifestyle, people are gonna understand like, hey, when's the last time you had an outbreak? Let me see your test papers. Oh, cool, let's fuck. And I fuck with condoms. He's the only person that I do not have protective sex with. But if I do feel like I'm having an outbreak, we don't have sex until I feel like everything's clear. So those are my preventative acts as far as sex goes. And what's really great about in my tribe if there was a scare, which has happened before with STDs? Everybody knows we text each other hey, you might wanna go get tested. A partner outside of our circle may have been infected with something. I tested negative. Hope you guys are negative as well. That's how we prevent everything.

Speaker 1: 24:16

Wow, it takes a lot of like straight up open conversation.

Speaker 2: 24:21

I tell people you know, polyamory is not for everybody, especially if you are not willing to be vulnerable and open and tap into a lot of things that you may not even experience in monogamous relationships. So it comes down to the fact of, like I say, if you're not mature to have the conversations outside of just the fun sexies, the parts of sex, you shouldn't be having sex at all, to be honest.

Speaker 3: 24:47

Right and I feel like you know, when you were talking about your tribe and you being open and honest and having those conversations, you know, like all the time I feel that really coincides with like cuckolding, from all the couples that I've heard on the Venus's podcast and all the couples that you hear on Moan talking about their cuckolding and dynamic, their dynamic relationships that they're always communicating, you know, verbally with one another, just checking in on each other's like mental health, because you know, like as a cuck, like it can take a mental toll on you, you know, and I guess, like as a woman, a female dominant woman in that relationship, you know you wanna make sure that your partner is it like being fully degraded?

Speaker 3: 25:45

You know he still, unless you know he enjoys that type of particular, you know, role. But I definitely can see where polyamory and cuckolding definitely are like synonymous at times, ms Sapphire, like what do you feel like are some of the benefits of your polyamory relationship with your partner and your tribe and how do you feel like has that made you like just a better person overall?

Speaker 2: 26:19

You know it's crazy. I never thought that I would find love, especially after the first and only other relationship I ever had in my life was right after graduation from college back in 2012. I dated a woman who I thought was down. You know, at the beginning it was cool that her girlfriend worked in the porn industry, in radio and was a boss ass bitch. But then, when we sealed the relationship and it was no longer just like a sexual relationship, she became very controlling. We were very toxic for each other, you know, and she was a lesbian.

Speaker 2: 27:01

I was still very much a very bisexual woman, like I was fucking a lot of more men at the time than I was with women and I said after our breakup of a year and a half, literally the next day after she broke up with me, it became one of those like it's either me or your career and I was like, well, bye, it's like the fuck. And she at the time was in law school. So I was like you're telling me, as an established woman who is on the brink of her career at 22, it's you in law school or my career that is paying my bills and I live alone. Bye, like we're done. And literally the next day I fucked a porn. I got some porn dick Like the best porn dick got introduced to anal, not my thing, the whole shebang.

Speaker 2: 27:57

And after that I vowed from 24 until about 25 when I was on my whole phase. I was not gonna fall in love. I'll fall in love with you, but I'm nobody, I'm not going to get into a relationship like fuck relationships, fuck love. And when I became 25 and met suit and tie I always say and joke around like he fucked it all up, like he is literally the exception when it comes to male attention.

Speaker 2: 28:29

As you both know, very openly on Moan, I tell people like I'm not really attracted to men at this point. I have fucked every prototype of man to the point where I'm like I'm good, so how does that come in? Involved with polyamory, the people that I have a very loving relationship, my tribe and polyamory in general, and being in the lifestyle it got me in, tuned with the ability to love and to freely just like, start seeing the things that others see in me. Cause I'm very, very hard on myself and I don't know if that's because I'm an only child. I'm an Aries. I'm very hard working. I'm never satisfied with episodes of my podcast that I put out, but it's my earbuds, my fan base, the people I interview that really just make it easy for me to say like thank you.

Speaker 2: 29:27

I love myself today and polyamory has really helped see different levels of love. The love that I have for my sir is a little bit different than I have with my girlfriend. My girlfriend and I we're not gonna get married to each other, but I love that woman to death because she makes me vulnerable, she makes me feel sexy and it's really hard to even find friendships in women where you can cry openly and just spill your heart. I feel like women in general are harsh on each other, even in friendships, and she has never made me feel threatened, and that's the same with her boyfriend.

Speaker 2: 30:12

Again, men kind of make me feel uncomfortable at this point, and it's not because I've been molested or anything like that. It's just the fact that a lot of men only see an aspect of me being sexual, working in the adult industry, and that's it. I'm just a pair of tits and ass to them. But these men, they make me feel powerful. They make me feel seen and heard. Not to mention, I'm the only black partner in the circle.

Speaker 2: 30:43

My male partners are white, my girlfriend is Latinx and, especially at the pivotal moment of 2020, it was a very interesting conversation to have about having a black partner in a time where we're not really being seen and heard still this day. So to have that type of support of partners who went to marches and checked in on me frequently, especially when, during COVID, my girlfriend and her boyfriend and I we could not see each other for almost six months, that really changed the game for me and it has helped me communicate my wants and needs, especially with my mental health. So that's been. The biggest takeaway for polyamory is that I know now how to express myself and how to love myself. It's something I'm still learning every day, but that being in that lifestyle and being with my tribe, they have really helped me overcome a lot of insecurities.

Speaker 1: 32:49

That's amazing. I love that so much and I think about. I had a guest on my show I think it was this year or last year, I can't remember where she's been married with her husband for a long time and in this cuckolding relationship for a long time and she is, or has fallen in love with her bull and her husband is so happy for her. He's just. They have such a solid relationship and I wonder if it is about that kind of wanting different kinds of love for the person who you love. It is this kind of a compersion thing right?

Speaker 2: 33:31

Yes, I was just about to say that's exactly what compersion is where you are mutually happy for your partner's other partnerships or situations.

Speaker 1: 33:44

Does that take a certain person to be able to do that?

Speaker 2: 33:47

It really does because, as I said earlier, jealousy can very much happen in polyamory For me. I have realized that jealousy comes for me with time spent If I'm not included in certain dates.

Speaker 2: 34:04

I get jealous If I feel like I'm not getting enough attention even though I see my sir every day because we live together, coming out of COVID and still, you know, we're very much like following the protocols. We mask up when we travel and stuff like that. We make sure that whoever he's dating is up to that they're tested, because we also work in the adult industry. But in the Hollywood industry, which still very much tests for COVID, we make sure that we're keeping everybody safe, and even our partners, my girlfriend and her boyfriend we too follow the protocols and we try not to mess with people who may compromise that. So I do get jealous sometimes if I'm not included in dates or, you know, if I feel like the attention is not met. But I have slowly been overcoming that with therapy and, you know, re-learning to take myself out on dates, especially if I don't have a date lined up. I take myself on dates or I, you know, rest, which is very hard for me to do, but it's something.

Speaker 2: 35:22

I feel, like you're a workaholic. I work from 5.30 in the morning until eight o'clock at night during the week, and then I'm now in voiceover. So on the weekends, if I'm not podcasting, I'm voice acting. So my schedule is crazy. But also it helps is having partners who are also just as busy.

Speaker 3: 35:41

Ms Sapphire, you were talking about the jealousy. How does your sir or your other boyfriend in your tribe, like I guess, make sure that you are? You know that your relationship is secure with. Can I say Ben With Ben. Okay yeah, how does Ben make you feel secure? Like, even though we're in this big dynamic, this tribe, you're still my number one.

Speaker 2: 36:16

You know what's crazy?

Speaker 2: 36:18

Up until two years ago, we didn't think about getting married, and the fact that he made it known that our relationship was so much different that he was like I'm taking myself out of my own comfort zone, because up until you, I never had a vision of getting married and having children.

Speaker 2: 36:39

That's why I entered polyamory. But once he moved in with me, once we started getting more comfortable with each other, I now know oh God, this makes me very emotional I now know that this man truly does love me, Cause he has seen a lot of ugly sides of myself, Like I struggle with extreme depression and anxiety, and he has seen a lot of me that a lot of people don't get to see day in and day out. So the fact that he sees children with me, that he sees us getting married and still practicing polyamory after kids and getting married, that's really strong. And so he makes me feel like the only woman in the room, even if there are multiple women in the room. It's just he is a very generous, kindhearted, understanding and patient man. Oh my God.

Speaker 1: 37:47

Oh my God, I wanna cry too. That's amazing. I think that that's the pillar that you have to have. I guess, when it comes to polyamory, is that really solid relationship, right when this person knows you inside and out like every which way they know you.

Speaker 2: 38:10

And even you know my girlfriend and her boyfriend. Sometimes I would say he is my boyfriend I mean Michelle and David. I love them dearly and again, it's the same thing. They're very patient with me and anytime that we see each other and sometimes we can go months without seeing each other I don't have to call my girlfriend every day. I don't have to text David every day to know that we love each other in our own way and that, you know, when we do see each other, we pick up right where we left off. There's never an awkward moment, but again, that comes with the power of feeling secure, checking in and just acknowledging. You know how you feel about someone and that's really hard to find, I feel, even after these trying times that we've been having in society. It's very hard for people to be vulnerable, and vulnerability to me is very sexy, but it's very important. If you can't be vulnerable with me, I can't have you in my circle.

Speaker 1: 39:24

I feel like it's sexy too. Oh my God, I love having these conversations with, like if I'm with someone a bull or whatever and I sit down and have like the most open conversations about sex with them, and they're just like. This is refreshing.

Speaker 2: 39:42

It is. It's very refreshing. It's different. I will say it's very different because, believe it or not, y'all like I don't have a lot of friends, like I really don't have a lot of friends anymore, and so it's kind of like you're not supposed to say like your partner is your best friend, but my tribe, they are my best friends, they are my support group. And I do have friends who are not in the lifestyle at all, girls that I've gone to college with. To you in particular, they're always like you have the best life, like what's going on with these dates and stuff, like I could tell them about my sex capades and give them dating advice and those are my horror. Gals shout out to them. And it's nice that again we're also in entertainment, that we can all just see each other for what we are and be supportive. But I kind of like the intimacy. Now I have a big family, I don't need a big friend squad, to be honest.

Speaker 3: 40:47

Miss Sapphire, do you think you were talking about marriage? You know, maybe later on down the line do you think about, like your honeymoon, like how that would be, like would it be like your sex tribe included with your honeymoon? Like how would that? Like do you think about that Like, do you guys talk about it?

Speaker 2: 41:10

So we haven't talked about. I mean, we have a plan for the marriage, but I can't divulge that because if I do it would ruin everything that I'm doing, but all I know is that the way that I told people is like when you see something, rsvp and don't cancel. That's all I'm gonna say.

Speaker 3: 41:34

Yeah, that's something you better make sure you attend Like a.

Speaker 2: 41:40

I'm a horror enthusiast. So you know the people that do know. They know certain things but they don't know when, anything. As far as, like, the honeymoon aspect, that's funny. I actually never thought about that, but now, since you said that it would be interesting to do that Like traveling together, I guess it would just have to matter of like if the Google calendar sync up. But it's funny because a couple weeks ago Cuckit and Cucknex store knows I went on vacation.

Speaker 2: 42:14

I just actually got back from Mexico not too long ago with my sir and it was just him and I and one of my coworkers not in the lifestyle at all, he's one of the DJs I report traffic for he had asked me. He was like oh so is your whole tribe coming, or, you know, do they get jealous? I'm like, no, we travel together, we travel separate, they do their thing. And I'm like, honestly, I didn't know that it was just gonna be the sir and I. It was originally supposed to be a family vacation. It was gonna be my sir and I and then my parents, but my parents had to dip out for some personal reasons and at the last minute my dad's like well, if you wanna bring some friends, do it.

Speaker 2: 42:55

But it was too late of a notice, like both Michelle and David are very busy with work, and it was just too complicated. So we already have said we're gonna do a tribe date. You know somewhat. So we always keep each other in mind for future endeavors and all that. That's always been a thing. We love traveling together, we just love hanging out and most of sometimes it's not all about sex. Now do we have sex?

Speaker 2: 43:21

Honey it's a damn porno. It's probably the best porno y'all will ever never see. So the honeymoon thing, I'm gonna have to bring that up, for sure. I'm definitely gonna have to bring that up.

Speaker 1: 43:39

You mentioned a little bit about talking to someone from work about your tribe or discussing that. How did you, in the beginning, explain this to people? You live a very kind of like interesting life, so I have a feeling that people surrounding you are not gonna be surprised to know that you're an appalling relationship, right? It's probably not taboo anymore, though, is it?

Speaker 2: 44:05

You know yes and no, yes and no. So I definitely live my life unapologetically and I'm very fortunate that, being in radio especially, I think people are a little bit more understanding and less biased. I would like to say that. But there have been radio jobs in my career where I think that's probably the reason why I got fired and they had to find other excuses, calling me lazy. But I'm actually not lazy. I'm always working Venus knows this because it took us forever to schedule each other to get an interview in. So, with that said, it's very interesting when I do bring it up. So sometimes it just comes up and I don't even realize it, and then I see the look on my coworkers faces. They're like wait a second, you have a girlfriend. I was like oh yeah, by the way, I'm polyamorous, you know. I just kind of toss it in. And then when people ask me like, oh, what's polyamory? Then I get perked up and I'm like well, let me tell you do people not know what it is Like I'm?

Speaker 1: 45:11

feeling pretty much everybody knows now right.

Speaker 2: 45:14

Some people do, some people don't, some people think it's swinging and then I have to correct them. I'm like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, let me sit you down. Let me sit you down and give you a little. You know, quick run through. But even my family, believe it or not, my family on both sides, my parents are both together, been together for many fucking years. They know, and until a very recent, like opening on his conversation with my mother especially, like my dad understands it, my 96 year old grandmother gets it. And it's funny cause I've said this before, I've come out many times in my life.

Speaker 2: 45:57

I've come out about me being bisexual, me being a lesbian, me being polyamorous, because sometimes they do listen to the non-sexual radio shows. My parents have heard my day-to-be views on college radio and on Playboy once, once I've looked before it and they're like, okay, megan cut, no, we love you. But really did you have to say that? But it's been interesting because up until recently my mother and I really didn't see eye-to-eye about my lifestyle, like the polyamorous thing. We did kind of butt heads of the sanctity of marriage, she said, and literally earlier in July I revisited it and we talked about it very honest, very candidly, and I just told her I was like I want you to know that all my life I know that you've never really liked my friends the ones that mattered you do like and the ones that didn't you never cared for and you had to teach me that I won't. They see the light, that sometimes friends are shit. And when I brought Ben around instantly my entire family loves him and the family members who are a little bit more religious you know it's kind of like bye, but the ones who do matter in my life, especially my cousins. They're like my siblings, especially my younger cousins.

Speaker 2: 47:41

Those are my babies. They all understand the deal. They have met. You know my partners and they understand the deal that Ben will be my husband and that my girlfriend will always be in my life and that I am loved, I am protected, and that's all my parents have ever wanted for me was to feel loved and protected.

Speaker 2: 48:08

And I said you know, mom, I know maybe at this time you don't want to meet her, but I think you would really love my girlfriend. You will see and understand why I am the way I am. You know I'm gay and that that is the exception, but all you've ever wanted me to feel is love and protection, and I get that from both aspects. And then he has his other relationships. He has another girlfriend who is married and while her and I did not work out we dated each other for a while I'm still very much in her life and we have a family. You know we have an extended family in this group and we will protect the same today of marriage. It's just going to look like a different dynamic than you and daddy, and I think she started to see the light after that, after the conversation, because now it's more open and free, and so I'm hoping, hoping my girlfriend will make a debut with my entire family for the holidays this year.

Speaker 3: 49:12

You shall see Nice Um. Miss Saff, I got a question for you. When you know when you're out with your tribe, or you and Ben are out, or you and your girlfriend are out, do people approach you guys to like join your dynamic Like, how does like, how do you um vet people who you may want to bring in, like people like you may think somebody's hot but Ben might not think somebody is like good looking, or like it's kind of uneasy about bringing this person into the, into the tribe, into the dynamic? So how do you guys like vet people like who may want to link up with you guys, may want to play with you guys?

Speaker 2: 49:58

Like um, most of the time it's it's all with a check in, it's usually not like on the spot. You know, sometimes we may bring you know people that might like Ben has brought people that he thinks I might be interested in to play um to social settings. I've gone bowling with some people. I've gone to Renaissance fair because we're nerds or, you know, do Halloween, uh escapades together and you know kind of feel the vibe. I'm a vibe seeker but also, um, I'm very particular again of who enters my body, um, so most of the time, like I said, ben is a whore when it comes to uh ladies. He loves the latest Um and so some women that he thinks that I might be interested, like now he kind of knows like my, my type, and so he will say like oh, you know, this girl that I played with she's very interested, but I already know it's going to be enough for you, kind of thing. And same with my girlfriend.

Speaker 2: 50:59

Like um, she mostly dates uh men. So her and David, they don't see each other as like uh primaries. We actually don't use the terms what they call primary or anchor, but in the outside world of polyamory, anchor and and um primary partner is what you would see out of the dynamic meaning like that's your first, your, your rock, everything. Ben is my anchor, you know, but again I don't like the terminologies because then that becomes a hierarchy thing and I don't believe in that, you know. Um, so when it comes to like introducing new partners, most of the time it's in the social setting or lifestyle setting and it's kind of like I feel the vibes and that's how I do the vetting. Yeah.

Speaker 3: 51:47

Oh no, I was going to um. I have one more question, um, so I know you're like, you know a lot of adult film stars, actors, actors and actors, actresses.

Speaker 2: 51:58

Yes.

Speaker 3: 52:00

Do they ask, do they like? Do they say like hey Saf, do you want to join? Like our Hollywood porn, uh, orgy setting or this big like you know it's like how does how does that work?

Speaker 2: 52:17

Like there, there have been, okay, there have been inquiries, but I have not brought Ben into them. I have yet to bring Ben into them. Um, there's one adult star in particular, um, that I call my wifey. We have never played with each other at all, Um, but I know that they have told me because when I bring them around, there have been some inquiries from other adult stars like would they be down? And you know she tells them, yeah, but there, looks like they think that we're so unapproachable to like say you do want to fuck. I guarantee you people listening, If I've, if I'm vibing with you, you will know. And that's the signal. Like, please, yes, Cause, especially with women, Ben is is my wingman.

Speaker 2: 53:09

I don't secure the pussy, he secures the pussy. I am so nervous when it comes to women, I don't know what it is, but I live my best sex life either way with women, where I'm like, wow, how did? How did you get in my bed? Like, have you looked at yourself? And I'm like, yeah, but I don't get it. I don't get it, but I guess I make ladies feel comfortable.

Speaker 1: 53:34

I can definitely understand that I, when you were saying like if I, like you know, people think I'm unapproachable. I'm like how is? That possible? You do seem like the most approachable person.

Speaker 2: 53:45

I'm super approachable.

Speaker 1: 53:48

Um, okay. So before we wrap up, I want to just get your opinion. What's your advice for maybe like top three pieces of advice for couples who are thinking cuckolding, couples who are thinking about incorporating polyamory into their relationship when should they start, where should they go, what should they do. What should they?

Speaker 2: 54:10

not do. Yes, one make sure that your home is secure. Okay, if your relationship is already on the rocks and you brought cuckolding to fix it and then you want to bring polyamory to fix it even more, that home is split. Okay, and I tell this to to all couples you got to make sure that your relationship is so airtight and so a one that when you introduce yourself to a polyamorous individual or polyamorous couple, that the communication is clear than a glass of water. I hope that makes sense to your audience. Two make sure you get tested. I can't even tell you how many times I've talked to cuckolding couples, monogamous couples who want to get into polyamory or swinging, and they have never got tested because, oh well, they're the only partner I have sex with. Newsflash STDs and STIs do happen, even if you're monogamous, and I put that with air quotes because people love.

Speaker 2: 55:19

Yes, air quotes are needed. Air quotes are needed. So getting tested is extremely important, not just in polyamorous lifestyles, but in all sexual lifestyles. Get tested and be prepared to have those conversations, like people like myself who have HSV or who have a history of any type of sexual health. Get ready to have those conversations because, again, in polyamory especially, transparency is everything. And that brings it down to the third thing. Be ready to be vulnerable, transparent. Get ready to overcome a lot of obstacles that you thought you never were going to endure. They're going to come with that.

Speaker 2: 56:04

Some people don't handle jealousy well, but they start finding different ways and communication to open it up more. You're going to find yourself jealous at one point, but you're going to have to realize that and recognize that and be vocal. That brings in the transparency part. You're going to have to be transparent with your partner and not just put your partner first, but put yourself first too. I hear a lot of couples in cock holding, especially where they always say well, I'm doing this for my wife, because my wife wants to do this. What about you? What do you want to do? Are you really comfortable in seeing your wife fucking another person? Better yet, what if your wife doesn't want to bring you in the bedroom to sit in the corner and watch, and she's going to go off and have a date somewhere else or have a weekend or a vacation for an extended time, are you going to be 100% okay with that? So I don't believe in this whole OPP thing. One penis, one pussy policy, that's not polyamorous.

Speaker 1: 57:04

Wait, what is?

Speaker 2: 57:05

that. What is that? Where in polyamorous I've heard these couples and I don't believe they're polyamorous at all that someone who's trying to put rules in a relationship. That is just fucking bullshit when they say, oh you can date, oh you're bisexual. Well, my dick is the only dick you're fucking in this polyamorous relationship, but I can have all the pussy in the world. I can fuck whoever I want. That's the one penis, one pussy policy and I don't believe that in polyamory. I don't believe that in any type of lifestyle where free love is given.

Speaker 1: 57:40

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 57:41

You know cause now you're limiting someone's sexual interest. The sir knows I kind of have a one pussy policy, a one penis policy, but that's my chosen thing, you know. Or two penis policy, because the other only man that I do fuck is David. But with that said, I'm not gonna limit my man to say this is the only pussy you're fucking like, please go have sex with my girlfriend, please go have sex with other women. But if she, if I feel a vibe and this has happened many times, or not many times, but a few times where he has gone out on a date and I meet the girl and I'm like I don't like her, but she's cool Couple months later. You were right, you know what I mean. Yeah, it's like I'm not gonna dictate who my partners fuck. You know I'm not gonna dictate that. But I'm also not going to lie to myself and my feelings and not let my partners know I'm uncomfortable, right? So be transparent at all times.

Speaker 3: 58:46

Venus. Before you shut down, I got a quick question for you, ms Saf. You said Ben is like pretty dominant, right, ms Saf?

Speaker 2: 58:55

Not pretty, he is very Okay, he is very dominant.

Speaker 3: 59:00

Are there like and I've heard you on Mone, you know like you could be pretty dominant as well and I have no guys like kind of want to submit to you as well. So do like and you're in the adult industry so I'm sure like submissive guys come up to you, have cucks came up to you wanting to submit to you. Know, be a cuck as within you and Ben's relationship at all, like you know.

Speaker 2: 59:34

The discussion of cuckolding. From what I last experienced, it's not something that the sir and I are necessarily interested in. We're interested in a lot of aspects. Like we definitely. Like he knows, I would like two men in the room, kind of thing, but the only way that would necessarily happen is if they are like a femboy B-O-I or so like you fucking him with a strap on. I would never. I will never fuck Ben with a strap on.

Speaker 3: 1:00:09

No, no, I mean, I mean the femboy like you, fucking the femboy.

Speaker 2: 1:00:13

I would fuck the femboy and he would fuck the femboy. You know that kind of thing, okay, okay. As far as like cuckolding, I've definitely had guys individually ask you know for that, but I also am very clear like I respect the cuckolding community but it's not something that I put on my lifestyle list. I love talking to y'all because there's a lot of interesting parallels to polyamory which I like to introduce to the cuckolding community. But as far as like me practicing cuckolding no that's I refer people.

Speaker 1: 1:00:51

You know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 1:00:53

I refer like I don't. That's my limitation.

Speaker 3: 1:00:56

Cuckolding facilitator.

Speaker 2: 1:00:58

Yes, as far as like dominating I've been approached. Over the years I've definitely dominated guys on the airwaves. Those who have stuck long enough with me back in Vivid Radio they know because they still talk to this day of how I've done them on air and even domed them on mode. You've been in Spaces Hugging Store where I have domed some men in the room and I love it. I wouldn't call myself a dominatrix. I'm a sex enthusiast and educator at the end of the day. But it's something I'd be open to, you know. But I would never take somebody's money and call myself a dominatrix. There are sex workers for that and at the end of the day I'm just a sex enthusiast and entertainer. That's it.

Speaker 1: 1:01:48

I love that. I so love what you said about making sure that your relationship is completely solid and being transparent and checking in. Actually, like people should write that on their calendar. It's like, yeah, friday after work, we're going to sit down, have a glass of wine together and we're going to check in on our relationship. I love that, even if you think you have nothing to talk about, just check in. I think that's so great.

Speaker 1: 1:02:17

I'm so happy to have you on the show because I had a friend oh, I have a friend who was in a poly relationship and it sounded quite complicated and I asked him like how easy is it to kind of incorporate this kind of relationship? And he was like it's not easy, it's complicated. So I've always been like, okay, well, I know that, I know that it can be tricky and it sounds like there's several things pillars that need to be in place in order to have a solid foundation for this kind of relationship. And I love the advice that you gave for people. But it sounds like if this works for you and the rewards can be amazing, like it just I love that idea of having different kinds of love in your life and how beneficial that can be for a person.

Speaker 2: 1:03:07

Polyamory is work. Okay, it's work. You think being in a relationship which is one person is hard. Try having a relationship with more than one person. Trying to schedule with calendars, work schedules, sickness, family things it's work, it's a lot of work. And then, on top of that, you look at the date calendar, because the Google calendar, as I show people and I can even take a screenshot as an example my entire months are filled. Okay, like I know right now for a fact, my sir is at a D&D Dungeons and Dragons meeting with his non-sexual friends. He said I'm in a meeting, like this is our schedule, like our calendar is filled for the month of July, and then I share that calendar with my girlfriend so she knows like I'm out of town, I'm in the interview, I'm doing this, I'm doing that, that and this.

Speaker 2: 1:04:02

Oh, that's handy you just share your calendar with them. Our calendars, we share calendars, we share dates, all that. So if you're not willing to put in the work in one relationship but you think you can handle polyamory with multiple people, again it's not for you and it's okay. It's okay to have the fantasy of having sex with multiple people. There are other different lifestyles that you can explore, swinging, going into the open relationship category. But with polyamory you're gonna work a little harder because, again, they are relationships that can sometimes be open, sometimes be closed, but it's a relationship at the end of the day. So if you're willing to do the work, if you're willing to be vulnerable and put that communication to handy, use and not put your partner's needs but also your needs on the forefront, try it. And I'm always open listeners of Venus, I am always open to talk, especially on the Monab and you know, everywhere else you can find me.

Speaker 1: 1:05:09

Yeah, so where can people learn more about you and find your podcast and all that stuff?

Speaker 2: 1:05:15

So Sapphire's Earplay is my podcast. You can find it virtually on every podcast platform possible. Go to MsRadiosapphire that's M-S-R-A-D-I-O-S-A-P-P-H-I-R-E dot com. Msradiosapphire and Sapphire's Earplay on Instagram. Again, I know Venus is gonna put up my link, my link tree, so everything that you need to get connected with me you can go right there. There's a message box on my website. Utilize that. I answer back and you can catch me on the Monab. That's mostly where I'll be right now. As many may know, sag After is on strike and I'm in solidarity and I am not doing any new episodes of Sapphire's Earplay after the 30th of July. I'm sticking to my guns in solidarity until the deals are met, but I will be on the Monab a little bit more and scheduling some more chats, maybe popping into Cognix Doors rooms my work sections when I'm supposed to be reporting traffic.

Speaker 2: 1:06:21

But I always show up to pop in and I always love popping up into Venus's chats in between my on-air business as well. So I will be more frequent on the Monab, which is also under Ms Radio Sapphire.

Speaker 1: 1:06:33

That's amazing. Well, I have learned so much. No, really, I'm not bullshitting. I have learned so much in this episode. You have been such a great guest. I'm so glad to have you on the show. Thank you so much for joining me and thank you to Cognix Door for co-hosting today. Thank, you.

Speaker 3: 1:06:50

Thank you, this was a lot of fun. This was definitely a lot of fun, ms Sapphire. Best pussy, prettiest pussy, civilians or porn.

Speaker 2: 1:07:02

Damn. Quick quick, it's all pussy, all pussy.

Speaker 3: 1:07:07

All pussy OK. Best dick civilian or porn?

Speaker 2: 1:07:12

My man's dick. My man's dick and David's dick. Those are a glorious complaint.

Speaker 3: 1:07:23

Thank you, venus. Thank you, ms Sapphire, for letting me come on. Definitely, and you guys could always catch me on Moen. I'm on Twitter as well. My ad is nasty as they come, c-u-m, but it's a cuckold next door as well, so I'm not sure how you could look it up on a search bar. Either nasty as they come or cuckold next door. You could find me on there.

Speaker 1: 1:07:51

Yes, and I will be linking his handle in the show notes for today too. Thank you so much, both of you.

Speaker 3: 1:07:57

Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2: 1:07:58

It's been fun. It's been fun. Thank you so much.

Speaker 1: 1:08:02

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