From a 30 Year Vanilla Marriage to a FLR Femdom BDSM Cuckold Marriage

Lady Ren shares her story of her marriage that went from a vanilla existence to a vibrant dynamic with female empowerment, BDSM, FLR, femdom, and cuckolding.

Reflecting on the beauty of a relationship that can bend and grow through the years, this episode is a celebration of self-discovery, mutual fulfillment, and the transformative power of stepping outside comfort zones. Join us for a conversation that's as enlightening as it is provocative, challenging every preconceived notion about what it means to lead with love and desire.

If you've ever wondered about the intricacies of FLR, cuckolding, and femdom, Lady Ren's candid revelations are a treasure trove of insight.

Links
Lady Ren on Fetlife: Lady_Ren
Key Barrett's books - https://a.co/d/izEhRkn
The Hesitant Mistress book - https://a.co/d/9MXY9fr
Crystal Welch - https://www.venuscuckoldress.com/cw
The QQ Community (free) - https://www.venuscuckoldress.com/offers/FTNWndiv/checkout
Cuck My Life Podcast - https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/cuck-my-life-podcast/id1741285846

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Here's what's coming up on the show.

Speaker 2: 0:06

On our 30th wedding anniversary, we went on a cruise and he showed me this book and it was what a submissive looks like and who they are and what makes up a submissive. And it was him to a T. So we decided that on this cruise we were going to change roles. I was going to be the mistress and we were going to do this the whole cruise. And when we got home it was like this is us. The word dominatrix came up and I'm going. I had to Google it. I didn't know what it was. I go, you want me to what? What?

Speaker 1: 0:46

it was. I go. You want me to what? So there's a lot of guys who are really wanting this.

Speaker 2: 1:00

Your husband got it. What's the secret? You know it's funny. We've always wanted to make the other person happy and I'm not doing it to make him happy, but he waited 30 years to tell me that and that just was not sad, but just that he didn't trust or had faith or that that relationship wasn't there, that he could tell me that, and that's really hard for a man to tell somebody. That's what I need, but it's just talking to him and saying, hey, that was vulnerable. You know, one of the things that we've always talked about is, especially with the non-monogamy, is that if either one of us ever feels that they're done, there's no questions asked we're done.

Speaker 1: 1:54

This is the Venus Cuckoldris Podcast a place to learn all things cuckolding for the curious, for the passionate and for the sexually empowered woman who wants it all.

Speaker 2: 2:20

Let's go.

Speaker 1: 2:21

Welcome to the show everyone. I'm your host, venus, thanks for joining me today, and I have Lady Ren on the show. She's going to be talking about how she is in a FLR. That's female-led relationship, cuckold relationship, bdsm. She's even got some femdom in there. She and get this get this started out completely vanilla for many years in her marriage and she has well, together with her husband, they've transformed it into this very kinky, very unique type of relationship, and she explains what it was like to learn from her husband, about his kinky desires and what it was like for her to really learn about and embrace her dominant side. She used some really helpful resources and now she says she's a 24-7 lifestyle dom and she refers to her cuck husband as her slave. It's really such a cool story and I know you're going to love it, so stay tuned.

Speaker 1: 3:23

I just have a couple of announcements. First, I'm going to be hosting a live chat in the Queens Quarters community. That is going to be May 17th at 2 pm Pacific time, that's 5 pm Eastern time and that's totally free. I'm going to be talking about a bunch of things, so make sure that you check it out. The link is in the show notes for today's episode. Second announcement Okay, there is a brand new podcast called Cuck my Life and I'm so excited about it. It is hosted by, I think there's four guys, four cucks, and they're talking about the cuck perspective and everything like that, which I think is awesome. I believe their podcast is available on all platforms podcast listening apps, but I have not had a chance to check it out yet. I've heard great things about it, so make sure you check that out. It's called Cuck my Life.

Speaker 1: 4:15

All right, that's it for announcements. Let's jump into the show. Here we go, joining me on the show, I have a special guest. Her name is ren and she is in a flr, cuckold, femdom, bdsm type of relationship and she's here to share her story. So welcome to the show, ren. Say hello to all the listeners. Hi, Hi, it's good to be here. Okay, yeah, this is great because it was your husband who sent me an email and he's like yeah, so my wife would be a great guest for the show. And it turns out that you both are friends with Crystal Welch, who I love and adore. I was like all right, let's do this so. So how did this all come about? Like was he like, did he tell you that he emailed me.

Speaker 2: 5:13

After the fact yes, because he knew I would probably say no. But I am very fortunate that I have a partner, husband, cuckold, submissive, slave whatever we want to call them today who pushes my boundaries and has always supported me in learning and growing and evolving. So it was. This is a little out of my comfort zone, but here I am.

Speaker 1: 5:54

Well, I'm really happy that you're sharing your story. It sounds like you have a very unique kind of relationship that you guys have built together. That's really your own and has different kinds of dynamics kind of built in. So we're going to explore that and I love that you're sharing your story. It's hilarious that your husband emailed me and you didn't know. This happens often actually. Yeah, it does. Yeah, okay, so you guys have been, from what I know, you've been married a long time and you were kind of like vanilla for a long time yes.

Speaker 1: 6:29

So how did you go from vanilla to not vanilla?

Speaker 2: 6:35

You know it's. It was funny. We were both married very young to each other. Um, we next year will be 40 years and so, yeah, very, very long time I got him out of his teens before I married him, and so we you know I was brought up men are the head of the household, they're the final word, they are the protectors, you know. They are the breadwinners, and about 10 years ago he took a job overseas and so I became the power of attorney for anything at home. We had a child in school, high school and so I started taking over a lot of the household the bills, the making the decisions selling cars, selling houses, buying houses, that kind of thing while he was away.

Speaker 2: 7:30

And one of the things that kind of bent our marriage was the long distance. He did that for about four years and I saw him two weeks every four months and so it was really tough. It bent the relationship and he would tell me he loved me, but he goes. I want to show you how much that I'm still into you, I'm still obsessed with you, and he shared a book with me I think it was called the Hesitant Mistress and I'm looking at this and he goes. We kind of played with things in the bedroom to kind of spice things up. And on our 30th wedding anniversary we went on a cruise and he showed me this book and it was what a submissive looks like and who they are and what makes up a submissive. And it was him to a T. So we decided that on this cruise we were going to pretend you know, change roles. I was going to be the mistress and he was. We're going to do this the whole cruise. And when we got home it was like this is this? Is us this?

Speaker 2: 8:49

is us we need to do this and so he kind of helped me. The word dominatrix came up and I'm going. I had to Google it. I didn't know what it was. I go, you want me to what you know? Um, but it was reading books, it was talking. You know.

Speaker 2: 9:09

I found a great group of ladies that were all female doms and great discussion group and kind of evolved through that and it's just been evolving and changing. That was the one thing that Crystal said is she goes. I love watching you guys because every couple of years you kind of tweak things and evolve and it's just been a wonderful journey. So we did the Dom slave for the longest time, or Dom submissive, and we'd go really deep into that and I ended up getting my master's degree and he supported me through that and ended up doming himself for about a year because I just had too much on my plate. And when we came through it, he goes I need you back here.

Speaker 2: 10:02

So we kind of swung towards swinging and that was fun. I wasn't. I was kind of more worried that he was going to look at me differently. Oh, how so. Well, we had been together 30 years. Well, we had been together 30 years. We hadn't been with anybody else in 30 years and it was like are you sure you want me to do this? How are you going to, you know? And it brought up all that great conversation and we learned a lot about trust and just talking everything out. And our communication level is skyrocketed since swinging. Everything has been a communication and every time we evolve, that communication goes even higher.

Speaker 1: 10:59

And it's just a neat place to be. Wow, I love that. But I still can't like. I'm trying to picture this you in the you know the typical stereotypical gender role of a woman in a patriarchal kind of relationship and then and kind of like how does that work?

Speaker 2: 12:34

Well, like I said, when he was overseas, I was always handling all this stuff and it was funny when we started out very slowly, he said I would like this and then I would do that and I would see how it evolved, how much more dominant I became and how much more submissive he became, and it was just that transformation, but a lot of it. Finally, he was helping me kind of evolve to that. And then finally he goes when you're ready, tell me and I'll back off. And I said I've got this. And it was a lot of talking, a lot of communication, it's a lot of work, it's a lot of feedback both ways, and it's it's been an evolution.

Speaker 2: 13:25

We do everything weird. Ask Crystal next time. We we don't fit any pegs. We've always. Our life has always been different. He will support me in, however, and he wanted this, and I saw how much he wanted it and I started to realize that, even though he was in charge, I was putting doubt in his mind when I needed something my way. Okay, okay, and I'm looking back at conversations that we had when he wanted to buy this or that or the other thing. I'm going really, you need that. No, yeah, are you sure you want to do it that way? You know, and it was just subtle enough that I think I never realized. I'm not a dominant person, as you could probably see, but I do it subtly, I guess enough, and I was. I was talking to my boyfriend this morning and he goes yeah, you look really sweet and kind of innocent on the outside, but underneath there's this evil. And the more I've done this, the more I've gotten into this.

Speaker 1: 14:40

That evil person is coming out a little bit more than the nice person is kind of going away nice person is kind of going away, so okay, so that makes more sense to me in that, like this was always, maybe within you, it just was. This is just an unlayering and allowing that to kind of come through.

Speaker 2: 15:02

Yes, I have always been a people pleaser and this is the neat thing about this is it has made me a little bit more. I was very shy, very, um, just very quiet, and he's very overbearing, very out type, a very loud and very he takes control and he can talk to anybody and he, he gets mad at me now Cause he goes. I've let her out of the box, you know, put her back in. No, no, but like I said, he's always kind of pushed me a little bit to be a little bit more of who he knows I am outside. So it's made me a lot more outgoing, a lot more decisive, and in our relationship it's also taken the toll on the positive on him is his stress level is down, he is more calm, he's more relaxed, he's even healed and it's brought his medication down too, which has been amazing.

Speaker 1: 16:30

You don't have that kind of tug of war going on that you would normally have when you're trying to make sure there's always equality in the relationship. I can see it as being like he understands what he needs to do, rather than kind of having to guess sometimes what he needs to do and how you're feeling. And I love the fact that in female led relationships it's kind of like you said you were more decisive and able to, you know, be more outgoing and stuff like that. It's almost like it gives you permission to kind of unfilter what it is that you need to do and say. In that kind of relationship you can just feel comfortable just doing and saying the things that need to be said and done.

Speaker 2: 17:12

Right, yeah, absolutely Okay. He's a leaper, so he leaps and then thinks. So now I kind of make him wait and to ask me first before he leaps.

Speaker 1: 17:24

Which is a positive right. It is a positive, it is a positive, positive, right, it is a positive, it is a positive. So I have tons I've heard of like from tons and tons of husbands out there who say, oh, I would really like my wife to be dominant, they really want the power exchange, but maybe they brought it up and she's just like hell no.

Speaker 1: 17:45

Or he's like I know her. There's no way she would ever sign up for that. So there's a lot of guys who are really wanting this. Your husband got it. He really wanted it, yeah, and he got it. What's the secret?

Speaker 2: 18:06

You know it's funny. We've always wanted to make the other person happy and I'm not doing it to make him happy but he waited 30 years to tell me that and that just was not sad, but just that he didn't trust or had faith or that that relationship wasn't there. That he could tell me that. And that's really hard for a man to tell somebody. That's what I need and it is definitely a need, but it's just talking to him and saying, hey, that was vulnerable, that was hard and I didn't understand I, until I read the book. What's in their heads to get them there that they want it? Um, so it was. You know, I trusted that. That's. He wasn't going to look at me different. That it wasn't weird, it wasn't. It's just why they're how they're wired. It's just how they're wired and, um, like I said, I'm it was important to him and I think that was enough.

Speaker 1: 19:22

So you guys ventured into non-monogamy in the form of swinging, and I'm guessing that you decided you did not want him sleeping with other women. At some point you were like nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, yeah, absolutely absolutely so.

Speaker 2: 19:39

Yeah it, yeah, uh-huh. That was just kind of one of those things. It was like yeah, no, I get a boyfriend, you don't that? Was just it kind of goes with that Dom submissive, I get everything I want and he has to suffer.

Speaker 1: 19:56

So the unfairness of it. I love it so okay. So then you decided you wanted this one-sided open relationship. That that's that would fit you guys best. The cuckold part you guys decided to venture down that road together. What was that like?

Speaker 2: 20:16

Oh, my goodness, that is fairly new. It's about a year and a half into it. It's funny. We've had to figure that part out. His love language is quality time, and I am very respectful of that. So I will check in with him and say you know, hey, this is what I would like to do. Where's your head at, where's your space? Because he'll look at me and go, look, I get you when you've got a cold, I've got you when you've had a bad day at work. And here's this guy who comes in, breezes in and gives you sex and breezes out, and so I make sure that we're in a good spot. We've had our quality time and the boyfriend whoever's coming in is sprinkles and our relationship is where it needs to be. If it's not, then it's called off and the boyfriends know that we're the priority, and so it's just a respect.

Speaker 1: 21:33

I love that so much and okay, so you guys are experienced with the kink and BDSM kind of things. Right, I know that within that lifestyle the word aftercare is a thing. So does that exist within your relationship around like the cuckolding part? Because I've had people asking about this, like, how do you practice aftercare in a cuckolding relationship? Because I don't know that the session or scene necessarily has a start or a stop, a beginning or an end, but there has to be some sort of emotional or physical kind of and you were just alluding to it where you're saying that I make sure that you know the um, my boyfriend is like the sprinkles of the relationship. The main course is, you know, my priority is my husband. But how do you do that within a cuckolding relationship as far as like taking care of his emotional needs when he may be feeling I don't know if he feels a cucky angst, but if he does, On occasion, and then I just beat him out of it anyway.

Speaker 2: 22:47

But we do cuddle afterwards, we talk afterwards. He loves to hear about it, he likes to know everything. And it's really funny because, like I said, the boyfriend that I have right now is pretty steady. He was here this morning and he came downstairs after we were done and SJ was working on lunch or whatever. And they get talking and SJ had asked my boyfriend to take pictures the last time and then it like two days later he still hadn't sent them. And so I text him and say where are my pictures? And he sends them to me and I go no, you have to send them to him. And and the boyfriend goes, no, I'll hurt his feelings because they're best friends, and it's just weird, Um. And I said you better get out of here. You're going to be on the show too. So we were going to have all three of us here, but Okay, so you've got the FLR Femdom cuckolding.

Speaker 1: 24:01

You tried the swinging thing, I tried the swinging thing. Yeah yeah, Cuckolding, BDSM-ish stuff. But then you refer to your husband as a slave. What exactly does that mean? Does that mean he's like does that equ? Does that equate ownership? Or I don't understand that word.

Speaker 2: 25:18

It's such a fine line. A submissive is somebody who, basically, it's the opposite of a dom. Dom, a dominatrix, submissive Um, you can have, like the bedroom games. You'll be the submissive this time, you'll be the dom this time, and then we're done, at the end of what you were saying, a scene. Sj and I are in a 24-7, so it's every minute of every day. So this is a little bit more intense in the sense of I am always in charge. He does whatever I need him to do, whether it's suffer for me, or I come home from a day and I want to beat his butt, or I want to tease him or deny him or whatever he does, what I ask him to do, and with no safe words. It's not a scene, it's a lifestyle. So I'm what they call a lifestyle dom.

Speaker 1: 26:18

Okay, cause I've heard that term before and I don't really understand. I don't know what it was.

Speaker 2: 26:23

Yeah, so slave is more of a. This is who I am, I'm not playing a submissive. Every role is even cuckolding has its own nuances for whoever's doing it. I think it's the same way with dom submissive. So dom slave, I think, is just more commitment.

Speaker 1: 26:49

So instead of the word bull, you use the word boyfriend. Does that mean that you are more polyamorous?

Speaker 2: 27:01

With this one. Yes, I have not had that experience yet with a bull. I am more dominant, so I don't want anybody dominating me in the bedroom. But we are definitely polyamorous.

Speaker 1: 27:17

Yeah, and I think that's great that your boyfriend is best friends with your husband as well, so they have a great relationship. You guys hang out that's so cool, but you still like I'm assuming, as you said before make sure that your husband is always the priority, right? And that the boyfriend is just like, you know, the icing on the cake, kind of thing.

Speaker 2: 27:49

Yeah, we have a dynamic and that is the most important. It's the relationship and the dynamic of the dom slave or dom sub and the cuckold, and we always that is our checking point Is this having a positive effect on that relationship, that dynamic, or is it having a negative effect? And then we work out that relationship with that in mind. So we're not like antagonizing each other, saying you did X, it is. Does that help this? Does it hurt this?

Speaker 1: 28:18

Oh, I think that's a great framework to work with and I hope that some of the couples who are listening to the show take notes on that, because not to say it would work for everybody, but that's a great way to look at it If you're looking at really kind of wanting to preserve your relationship first and foremost that I mean we, we did that with our marriage beforehand and then we basically said we we've kind of we don't fight anymore.

Speaker 2: 28:46

It's really weird, um, especially since I'm always right, uh, but we also picked up some front. Uh, you know somebody else that we've looked at and read and that's Keith Barrett, and we've picked up and really taken into a lot of account one of his books and started our weekly meetings and we do the command and what they call command and, oh goodness, their meetings, and we basically do. We are planning for the week, we go through any questions that we might have going on any feedback and then we basically love that and it's become a part of our relationship, probably for the last six months, and it clarifies so much and that safe space within those meetings are just great ways of communicating and talking about the relationship, the dynamic and the communication out of it. It makes things a lot clearer.

Speaker 1: 29:51

Yeah, Key Barrett's amazing. I love his books. I adore his books, and his book on FLR Submit, Surrender and Serve Her was eye opening to me. It was.

Speaker 2: 30:02

I was just like everything is about this is making so much sense to me we kind of go oh, we'll take that and we'll take that and we'll take this, and then we evolve again. And his book was amazing. It really opened our eyes even more and I think we're. The FLR has been going on for now gosh, next year will be 10 years and every time our communication gets better. His books have just been fantastic for keeping things in perspective and really making sure that.

Speaker 2: 30:43

I think every time we sit there and look at it and go, if we pretend nothing is going to go wrong, oh, we're perfect, we're fine. We have to be diligent about what we're doing and really be thoughtful about how we're doing it and how it's going to affect everything Our relationship, our talking. I think we talked for a good six months before we even started swinging. Are you sure it's going to be okay? Are you sure? Where are you feeling I'm going? I'm not ready for that, but you know it's just that, that constant dialogue of communication, of getting that going. You've got to know them better than you know yourself and I think you know if this happens, we need to debrief afterwards the first time and talk and communicate. And you know, one of the things that we've always talked about is especially with the non monogamy, is that if either one of us ever feels that they're done, there's no questions asked. We're done.

Speaker 2: 32:01

Oh really, if one of us says I'm not comfortable anymore with this, we both have the respect for the other person to say okay, we're done, no questions asked. Wow, yeah, just because we don't want to ruin that core that we have.

Speaker 1: 32:19

At what point does this all become a bit complicated, Like you're talking about? You know, poly, non-monogamy, all these different dynamics.

Speaker 2: 32:31

Oh, it's complicated, it's, yeah. And then of course, you've got life in there too, and we both have full-time jobs. I'm, I've got an older parent. You know life happens and you know you've got gym, you've got friends, you've got events you can go to, and I've got Dom events that I go to and we go to swinging events and we go, yeah, so, trying to fit that all in, and you know, one of the things I was talking to him I go SJ is we just moved and we just got settled in and we went away last weekend and had a great weekend, but we came back Sunday and we had to work on Monday through the week. It was crazy week this week. And he's going oh, there's an event down here, let's go here this weekend. And I'm going no, we're done. And he looked at me and I go, we've been running since January, no, it's either we won't do anything this weekend or we're both going to crash and we're going to get sick.

Speaker 2: 33:33

And so he kind of sat back and goes yeah, you're right. So I think it's moderation and just kind of prioritizing and just looking at and going no, it's this weekend, is us and whatever that looks like, and it can be a lot of different things.

Speaker 1: 33:54

So what does it look like? Is there cause you said you're in a 24 seven lifestyle Dom kind of relationship? Well, I do have a dungeon?

Speaker 2: 34:04

um, a little one, so it could be putting him up on the frame. I do a little bit of hypnosis, so there's a little bit of mind games, there's a lot of just good old fun. Uh, it's. It could be a lot, it could be training, it could be him giving you know. It's like hey, I'm really tired, my shoulders hurt, I want a massage. And he gives me a massage and, of course, with after a massage you have to have a bubble bath and then, you know, it just leads on to something else and something else, and you know dang, I need one of these guys in my life Fuck.

Speaker 2: 34:42

Oh yeah, I was at a that last weekend was a dominance group that I belong to and we were kidding and I said, yeah, I need a garden slave, I need a kitchen slave. I, you know, I want to, I want to cook slave. You know, I just want a whole bunch of them, or they'll do my little, my little minions for me.

Speaker 1: 35:04

It sounds like a nice life. I'm not going to lie.

Speaker 2: 35:12

It was a lovely life. I love my life right now and, um, you know, both of us looked at each other and said you know, at some point we're not going to be able to do this and we're kind of going down. You know, the other side of whatever age I am and I want to live it to the fullest. I want to just explore. I was told that those things are not good. You're, you're supposed to be the good girl, You're supposed to be this, You're supposed to be that. And I'm going hell with that. I'm having fun, so I want to keep it up as long as I can.

Speaker 1: 35:43

Okay, so we're running out of time, but I wanted to ask you one last thing Now. I mentioned before that there's so many husbands who are like, oh I really want to tell my wife that I want her to do this and be dominant and I want to be her submissive and all that sort of stuff. Or they brought it up and it didn't go well, her submissive and all that sort of stuff, or they brought it up and it didn't go well. What kind of advice would you give for any ladies who are listening to this, who their husband has brought it up, or they have heard about it and want to learn about it? What would you say to them about this kind of, these kind of power dynamics in a relationship?

Speaker 2: 36:20

power dynamics in a relationship.

Speaker 2: 36:24

I'm one of these people and a good analogy is you know, people just dive into the pool. I'm one of these that puts a toe in and then I put the foot in and it takes me 20 or 30 minutes to get into the water. I don't care how warm the water is. I don't care how warm the water is, it always does. Don't nag, but get some books on it.

Speaker 2: 36:55

The first book I was given was the Hesitant Mistress and it talked more about from the woman's point of view what a submissive is and why they need what they need. Usually a submissive is somebody who's type A and is good at their job and they're going 24 seven and they don't wanna come home and make all the decisions. And if that is that person, that book would be great for the woman to read and look at. Let it sink in. Let it, you know, give them the book. Would you please just read this, don't? You don't have to ask me anything, I won't bug you about it. Can we talk about it in a month? Let it sink in If they have the communication and the relationship. I want to do this because I love you. I mean that's how he came up and said hey, I love you, I want you to be everything in my life. And that's what a dominant is is they do. It's as much work for her as it is for him to submit. It's even harder for them to submit. Much work for her as it is for him to submit. It's even harder for them to submit.

Speaker 2: 38:15

But it can take a weird turn if it is a barter system you do X, I'll do Y, and I've seen those kind of relationships happen and you know it's like if I want a hand massage, it's like come here, I want a hand massage and he doesn't, because he loves me. And that's what our relationship is. But I would say, keep the communication open, keep talking. Tell her why you want this, how you want that, not how you want this, but why you want this. And let her ask questions. Send her to some places that she can talk to other people that are now into it and help her kind of find out why. Cause at first it's kind of weird. Oh for sure, yeah, because it's coming out of the blue. Um, it was for for, you know, he, we were doing bedroom games, but it kind of morphed and I was like, okay, I'm willing to listen, willing to try, and then it became fun.

Speaker 2: 39:16

I guess that's all it really takes in the beginning is just a willingness to think about it in the beginning is just a willingness to think about it, consider it and learn, and I and it's a lot of debrief, I mean it's a lot of um, deprogramming yes.

Speaker 1: 39:33

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 39:34

A lot of, a lot of deprogramming. And just knowing that just cause not everybody does it doesn't mean it's wrong.

Speaker 1: 39:44

Yeah, I love that. Okay, we have run out of time. Where can people learn more about you or perhaps contact you?

Speaker 2: 39:56

I am on FetLife. I am lady underscore Ren R-E-N on FetLife, underscore Ren R-E-N. And on FetLife. One of the things I forgot to say is we've been kind of contemplating doing a class on Key Barrett's last book, yeah, and bringing out and setting up a class for people to do with the Surrender Submit and that book. And we love it and I think it would be a big help for people just to learn how to communicate a little bit better.

Speaker 1: 40:32

Yeah, we should have a Lady Wren's book club and we could have a little yeah, a little check-ins and stuff. That'd be awesome, Wouldn't it?

Speaker 2: 40:40

be fun, yeah, definitely definitely.

Speaker 1: 40:45

I think I've said it before many, many times that women are the key to cuckolding when it comes to really having other women be willing to learn and be curious about and try and or at least consider this kind of relationship, or at least consider this kind of relationship. And so it's women supporting other women, women educating other women, and that being the key factor to having success with that. So, if you have a class, oh my God, that would be so, so great. So we'll definitely have to stay tuned for that and, yeah, if you set that up, please let me know. I'll share the link to everyone. All right, we are out of time. It has been fascinating to get to know you. It's been so great and I really appreciate you coming on the show. Thank you so much.

Speaker 2: 41:38

Thank you.

Speaker 1: 41:40

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