The Venus Cuckoldress Podcast
The Venus Cuckoldress Podcast
Living the Dream: Cuck Husband Serves His Black-Owned Wife and Their Live-In Bull
So many cuckolds dream of having a live-in bull with their wife, but seemingly few ever make it happen. Chas is here to share his story of how his wife decided she wanted a live-in bull and how they all agreed that she would be "black-owned" by him. It's a fascinating conversation about how this dynamic works in real life, the cuckold rules they've established together, and how it all took many years of growing, communicating, and evolving to get where they are now.
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This is what's coming up on the show. Your wife has been what you call black-owned right Correct. And you have a live-in bull Correct. And you are, I believe, a bisexual cuckold right Correct.
Speaker 2:Now my wife and the bull sleep together at night and I sleep in the next bedroom. I have to knock and ask for permission to enter. That's one of our rules that we established. And they might say you can't come in, you just have to stand there and watch in. You just have to stand there and watch.
Speaker 2:I am not allowed to touch my wife without permission from the bull first. Really, yes, wow. And to elaborate on that, it's like we have penetrative sex but I have to have permission from her bull. I'm not allowed to have penetrative sex with her unless she's had the bull first and the bull has left a cream pie in her Sloppy seconds. And one other thing I can't have sex with my wife for more than 10 minutes at a time. That's because I can't. When I, when I do have sex with her, the bull has to watch. I have to be quote what he called supervised.
Speaker 1:This is the Venus Cuckoldris podcast a place to learn all things cuckolding for the curious, for the passionate and for the sexually empowered woman who wants it all.
Speaker 2:Let's go.
Speaker 1:Welcome to the show everyone. I'm your host, venus. Thanks so much for joining me, and what a show I have, as you can tell by that trailer that you just listened to, it is a crazy one. I mean crazy in a really good way, and I'm so excited to be able to have Cuckboy Chaz on the show to talk about this dynamic that he's in this like three-way relationship between his black owned wife and their bull, who lives with them, is just, it's truly amazing, like it's an awesome, awesome story. So I'm excited for you to be able to listen to this one. He's definitely living his best cuck life, that's for sure.
Speaker 1:Um, but first, um, oh, I actually before we get to news and events. Okay, so listen up. We talked about a lot today in this episode and there was so much more that we really wanted to get into. So what we decided was that we're going to do a live event in the Queens Quarters community where Cockboy Chaz and I are going to talk a little bit more about his story and you can join, and it'll be free to join, and you can ask questions, and it's a little bit more interactive and stuff like that. So it's going to be a lot of fun. So make sure you join the Queens Quarters community If you haven't already. The link is going to be in the description notes and then keep an eye out in there. I'll post the day and time in there once we have that.
Speaker 1:So okay news. Let's move on to news. I do have some news. So I've had a great summer. I mean, I started out the summer I had my surgery. That went okay, and then I went to Las Vegas and that was like so fucking fun. And then last week I went and got the oh shot, which many of you I'm sure have never fucking heard of, because I didn't hear about it until I met a woman who told me about it and she was like, oh my god, venus, you have to, you have to get this. And I was like what she's like? It changed my fucking life. So thank you to grunky, one of my helpful cucks. He paid for me to go and get this done and I swear to god, oh my god, it is insane.
Speaker 1:So the o shot is short for the orgasm shot, and what it is is it's the actual medical procedure. You go to a doctor's office, they do it. It's a. You get injected with platelet rich plasma which they take from your own blood and they inject it into you. So for the women that who get this done, they inject it like around your clit and like in your G spot and stuff like that. And this is like this, oh my God. Okay, let me first say it hurts like a fucking bitch. You can't be a little pussy if you're gonna get this done, because this is not for the faint of heart. It hurts like a bitch, okay, but it lasts a year and I was kind of skeptical because I was like I don't know if this is going to work.
Speaker 1:I had it a week ago. I used my vibrator for the first time and I was like oh, what was that? I'm fucking serious, by the way. I like they don't sponsor, I don't sponsor, they don't sponsor me. Whatever, I'm good, I'm good, paid to say any of the shit about the O shot, okay, and but it is. I was like what the fuck was that mind bending orgasm that I just had? Like it was so insane. I don't even like I and I'm like mad I didn't get this done sooner. I was like holy shit, that was insane, it's insane. So, anyway, it's only been a week and um, I, this weekend I am going to go see one of my new bulls, and so I am really, really looking forward to the results. Like, I'm happy as fuck these days. Anyway, it's called the O shot. So for all of you husbands listening in, trust me, you're going to want to look into this for your wife, if she's not already doing it, because, like, oh my god, it is so worth it.
Speaker 1:Okay, events there's a couple of really good events that are coming up, so I'm doing an interracial chat for all of you in interracial enthusiasts and for those of you listening to today's episode. That's probably what you're into. Um, I'm going to do a live chat in the Queens quarters community and I do a monthly one about interracial. So the one I'm going to do for September is going to be Friday, the 13th at 1 PM, and it's going to be all about race play. So I've invited Pagan from the Four Horsemen, cuck, next Door, is going to be there, crystal Welch is going to join me as well as, I'm hoping, a few others, and we're going to be talking about race play, what it is, what it sounds like, what it looks like and why is this such a thing for some people. So if you want to join that, it's totally free, just go to the Queens Quarters community and click on the events tab and you can RSVP there.
Speaker 1:The other event I have coming up in September, which is the fall, I believe, the following week, it's a pillow talk event and it's going to be Friday, the 20th, at noon. This is going to be Doc Chocolate Fun, charlie Blonde on the Bay and her husband and they were the group that I went to Las Vegas with, or I met in Las Vegas, and we went to Blonde on the Bay's amazing vow cuckold vow renewal ceremony. So they're going to join me live on Pillow Talk on Crowdcast, and that's going to be tons of fun. It's free to join live. If you would like to, you certainly can. You can just go and sign up at venuscukkledresscom. Just click on the events page. It's going to be a ton of fun. Okay, that's it for events.
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Speaker 1:Okay, joining me on the show today. I have a special guest. Name is cuck boy chas, and I first came across him in the queen's quarters community. I'm so excited to have him share his story with you today, because I've been waiting so long to be able to have somebody share their story about having a live-in bull. This is a fantasy that I've come across very often, with a lot of cucks who've really wanted this aspect, but it's been difficult for me to actually find real-life couples who are living with their bull. So, chaz, I'm so excited to have you on the show today. Welcome, say hello to everybody.
Speaker 2:Well, thank you very much, and I'm very honored to be here. I mean, I couldn't think of any more wonderful place to be than right here, right now, with you.
Speaker 1:So I know that you guys have been together, for you and your wife have been together for, I think, around 25 years, but for the past seven years your wife has been what you call black owned right and you have a live in bull and you are, I believe, a bisexual cuckold right Correct, Okay. And so you serve both your wife and the bull and or whoever else you're told to serve, right Correct and the bull, or whoever else you're told to serve, right Correct, Okay. So this is so fascinating. Please go into detail about what this actually looks like on a real-life basis.
Speaker 2:Well, currently, because we have had a live-in for seven years, my wife had decided at a particular point that, hey, I think I want to have a live-in, because she always enjoyed the fantasy concept of being quote owned. But what did that mean? So we would always have the conversations about what does it mean to you to be owned? And when we finally came to a conclusion of what it meant and we both agreed upon it, the concept of having somebody live with us would mean that sexually, she would belong to that person and he would dictate the sexual situations for her. And it didn't mean that he took over the household or anything like that. It was more like hey, we have a large home, we're going to rent out a small little apartment in the house, you know, and to somebody, and then that's more of the way it is. So once we decided on how that worked, she finally said okay, let's do it. And I said do you have anybody in mind? And she did, because there was somebody that was a professional, that worked at where she worked and she has a professional career. And she said I would like to, you know, approach them.
Speaker 2:Now, this particular person was somebody that she saw and we had, you know, played with many times and it just so happened that he had an apartment and his lease was coming up and he didn't want to sign like another I think it was a two or three year lease and so it was just a fortunate thing that, you know, she said, well, hey, why don't you come live with us? And that's how he ended up with us. Okay, but the sexual aspect, you know, evolved when he first came. The whole concept of the ownership was the fact that he would be there all the time and that he could dictate and set sexual situations for her and that she agreed to. Whatever he says, I'll do. That's the whole concept of the I'm owned.
Speaker 1:OK, so she's very submissive to him.
Speaker 2:Correct. Ok, absolutely, yes, okay, so she's very submissive to him correct.
Speaker 1:Okay, absolutely yes, so there's like a power dynamic totem pole there, right, like he's at the top, she's underneath and then you're at the bottom right. Okay, and so like you all live together and is it just like fun sexy times all the time, or is it just like you go grocery shopping together?
Speaker 2:The shopping has to be done. No, I do a lot of the shopping and I'm a cook. I'm not a cook actually, but I cook and my wife never was big into cooking but she did manage to, you know, learn and she has certain things she likes to cook, but you know I do, I'd say, the majority of that kind of thing you know.
Speaker 2:So we had to establish who does what over time, because once you start living with three people in a house like that, you realize okay, somebody's got to change the bed linen, somebody's got to do laundry, somebody's got to go to the grocery store, somebody's got to do this. You know, and hell, I'm not going to do all of it because that's impossible, you know. So we had to change things up there and once we decided who does what and sometimes there's some shared things, you know, like cooking, for example we will, we'll go. Somebody might say I want to, I want to do barbecue, like our bull will go, I want to do barbecue over the weekend. Which would mean I'll say, well, do you want me to do it, or do you want to do it, or what do you want to do? And he'll go well, why don't you do it? Or he'll say I want to do it, I want to make ribs, and I do better than you do, and so that kind of thing. So it's. You know it's a shared sort of thing.
Speaker 1:Okay, so you're very much like roommates with him right.
Speaker 2:In a way, that's a term that I suppose could be used. But you know, in a way, a roommate is a classification you could say, but it's entirely different. For example, it took a number of years to evolve, but we've got down to where we had a bedroom suite with its own bath, shower, walk-in closet and so forth, and we had another bedroom that was connected to that, that there was a door between them. Where you know because when we built the house, that's the way I set it up set it up.
Speaker 1:And so we evolved to the fact that now my wife and the bull sleep together at night and I sleep in the next bedroom.
Speaker 2:Oh, so every night yeah.
Speaker 1:I can yeah.
Speaker 2:Now I have to knock and ask for permission to enter. That's one of our rules that we established.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it's part of the stimulation for her and him and me. I mean, I can stand there in the doorway and watch them and they might say you can't come in, you just have to stand there and watch them and they might say, uh, you can't come in, you can just have to stand there and watch.
Speaker 1:so you know, that's a very huge stimulation for me yeah yeah okay, so how, like how often is your wife playing with the bull? So do you? And you just sort of talked about how you know sometimes you're not allowed in, you just stand there, you can watch or whatever, but are you usually part of it?
Speaker 2:and part of it, yes, but in what way? That's the question. In what way? Um, on a daily basis, there's always some interaction. It can be something as minor as in the mornings. They're, you know, doing their thing and I'm making. I'm downstairs making breakfast for all three of us. Work schedules are a thing that I'm flex I'm the most flexible one in the household, the two of them. They have set schedules by where they work. You know so, and there's sometimes there's a conflict there, you know so. There may be a day or two where you don't really have much going on sexually in the household because of work schedules. And I'm not allowed this is one of our rules. I am not allowed to touch my wife without permission from the bull first.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 2:Yes, wow, and to elaborate on that, it's like we have penetrative sex, but I have to have permission from her bull, or a bull that is there that knows that he's the one that can give permission. I just can't have permission, and so I'm not allowed to have penetrated sex with her unless she's had the bull first and the bull has left a cream pie in her.
Speaker 1:Sloppy seconds. Yes, I love it. Oh my, my god, that's so awesome. So I can totally see how this having a live-in bull allows so much more opportunity for play and for fun and for interaction and for stimulation. Right then then, most cuckolding relationships, most cuckolding relationships, you have to, like you know, plan ahead. Okay, I'm gonna go see my bull this weekend, like him, you know, we're gonna do this and we're gonna get a hotel room and we're gonna go and do that and which is fun and everything like that.
Speaker 1:But um this, what you have right now, this sounds like 24 hour fun times I mean mixed in with real life. But like, the opportunities are there.
Speaker 2:Oh, the opportunities are endless.
Speaker 2:Actually, they're endless, and real life is always there. But the opportunity to have play and interaction sexually can pop up in all kinds of fun ways, and so you have that, and we still, on weekends, can invite people over and so forth and we do so. You know there is that. So you know there is that it's a stimulation for all three people, because whatever thing that's happening, there's a stimulating aspect for me, there's a stimulating aspect for the bull and there's a stimulating aspect for my wife, and they aren't like in competition, they're in mutual agreement, basically Right, and mutual celebration.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because, like a long time ago, I had lots of people always ask me, like you know, oh you know, would you want a live-in bull or whatever, or like a polyamorous relationship with a bull and stuff and like that, and I was just like I don't know, I can definitely see the benefits of having your bull just living there with you. Like it's so much easier, especially if you do have this dynamic with your cuck where, like that rule that you guys have where there's no piv sex until she's, you know, fucked a black guy first, right, I mean, normally that rule would suck as a woman because, like you got to plan this, okay, so I'm going to see my bull this weekend. That means I can be with my husband after that, but not before, like you know, right right.
Speaker 2:Well, the interesting part about that is that that was the bull's idea once he moved in.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow.
Speaker 2:So that was an addition that he added. That was hey, that's great, you know, that's great because he knew a lot about At that point when he suggested that he knew what stimulated me really and knew what stimulated her. So his suggestion of, hey, what about this? And then we go wow, hell, yeah, so awesome.
Speaker 2:And then one other thing I can't have sex with my wife for more than 10 minutes at a time, because I can't. When I do have sex with her, the bull has to watch, I have to be quote what he called supervised. And if there is other bulls there and and and it's time that I they've given me permission to have sex, he might say to his other bulls now you got to time him, he can only have 10 minutes. But see, that stimulates me. I mean, that drives me crazy. It's just like wild.
Speaker 1:That's so awesome. 10 minutes is a long time.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm usually so excited that, yeah, you're done before the 10 minutes get there.
Speaker 1:But you know yeah, because she's like stretched out and she's like, you know, got the 10 minutes get there. But you know yeah, because she's like stretched out and she's, like you know, all like got cum in her and stuff Like that's hot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the more she's stretched out and the more full she is. It's just hell, it's just. You can't hardly control yourself, you know.
Speaker 1:And that's so hot. Like I've talked about this before, but like if if I were having sex with my cuck husband after I'd fucked a black guy and I was full of cum, like I would expect him to be so turned on by the fact that he could barely feel me and like it's slippery and like just, and if the bull was watching, like I feel like that would be so hot for him that if he lasted.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's indescribable. It's indescribable, it's one of the greatest things sexually, you know. I mean as far as a turn on it, and it's just amazing, it's amazing.
Speaker 1:If Mike Huck lasted a long time, I'd be so offended I'd be like the fuck is wrong with you. You're not turned on Like get the fuck out.
Speaker 2:Exactly, you're not turned on Like get the fuck out Exactly. Well, there's no way you can last. I mean, hell, there's no way you can last. I mean there are times when maybe I last two minutes. Maybe then I might go five or six minutes, but 10 minutes no, I don't hardly ever make 10 minutes.
Speaker 1:That's so awesome.
Speaker 2:I love that so what other kind of like interesting little rules have you guys come up with? Well, now I have a cum fetish. Okay, I like to eat it, swallow it, everything, and to answer the question in particular about question in particular about my wife. After I come in her, sometimes I can eat her because she's not only mixed with my come, but she has the bulls comes in her too. But then I have to have permission, and either the bull can give me the permission or she can, if the bull lets her, okay, and I never know what the hell they're going to tell me. Do they ever say no, oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:I never know what I'm going to get it or not. I never know when I think, oh, you know, I'm real cocky, and I go hey, I know I'm going to get to eat this because four guys fucked her Cum in her man. I came in her and she's so overflowing with cum and her thighs are. I'm just going to get my face in there and I'm going to have cum from head to toe and then I'm going to get to eat this pussy and eat and swallow so much cum and then all of a sudden, they'll go nope, and I'll go. Well, I'll go. Well, fuck god damn I.
Speaker 1:I admire cucks who really like to eat cum because, like I can't stand that I I it makes me gag like I can't. I've never been good with I, which is annoying because like I wish I was a total like cum champion, you know. But like I, I just can't do it.
Speaker 2:But to me I I tease and I say, well, hell, cum champion, you know. But like I just can't do it, well, to me, I tease and I say, well, hell, the cum you know in her is made for me, you know, it's made for a cook to eat, you know, that's you know.
Speaker 1:It's cook lunch.
Speaker 2:It's a cook snack. Yeah, it's a cook lunch. It's a cook breakfast. It's a cook, you know snack. Whatever the heck you want to call it, you know snack time.
Speaker 1:It really is. Oh my God, no wonder I don't like it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, I mean you have. The thing is, I think it's like anything, you know you, your first experiences probably set you up for the future.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So if you have a bad experience when you first tasted it or first got to eat pussy full of cum, whatever you know, suck a dick and he comes in your mouth, whatever it is If you had a bad experience you're not probably going to go forward positively. And you got you. Even the people say, oh, let me try it a second time. Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, can't do it, can't do it. So if you had a good experience, which I did, I mean I've always just, you know, loved it. I mean it's like I don't know what to. I just love it. You know there's no, I feel let down if I can't participate in it. Like my God, what are you doing? You're in the bathtub, you're washing the. Oh, my God, let me clean you up first.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's so amazing. See, I love cleanup. I love the fact that, like the actual act of it, I love it.
Speaker 2:But part of the reason why I love it is because it is kind of humiliating for the cuck in my mind anyway To me it's rewarding, yeah, but it's a way for you to show your dedication and sheer pleasure for being with this person, for being allowed to be with this person, and to me, if it's your wife, then that's the ultimate thing, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely, I 100% agree. I wanted to ask you about the bisexual aspect of your relationship or of you. So, like, help me to understand this. Like, are you bisexual as far as? Like, only in sexual service to a bull, or do you, like, are you attracted to men or like, have you had relationships with men before?
Speaker 2:like, help me understand this okay, um, go way back in life. When I was young, I I was fascinated with my own dick you and every other guy yes well, I was gonna say, yeah, that's not unusual.
Speaker 2:But what was unusual was how I was fascinated with other guys' dicks. I would notice that I didn't. Whenever I saw another guy's dick it wasn't like ooh or you know anything like that, it was like holy crap, I want to see that again. You know, and I had these black friends and I'm fairly well endowed. I'm not a little guy. I'll have to say that that was part of one of the things my wife noticed about me when we quote first met. You know that I was not little, so I always liked the fact that I'm fairly thick and long and large and I always liked the fact when I would put my own hand around myself to masturbate, jack off, whatever you want to call it. You know, I liked that feeling of that hot dick in your hand and how the skin felt, the touch and all of that stuff, you know. And and then when you started to shoot your cum, you know I would, I would sample, like holding my dick tight, loose, how you know different ways, you know to feel it, you know, and you can feel the sperm pulsate through, boom, boom, you know, and all of this. So you know, I, I like, bathed myself in this for years, growing up as a kid and then as an adult the same thing. So the first chance I ever had I was with some black guys and they were with some girls there and everybody was fucking and everything. And all of a sudden, you know, I just had an opportunity to put my mouth on this big black cock that had just come out of this woman and he was all covered in cum and everything you know, and just kind of suck him off and lick him off, clean him off and everything, and that was the end of that. That's that. But that began, that you know. So then I would. I was always interested in God.
Speaker 2:Now, to me, though, personality comes first. If a guy's got a great looking cock, and he's good looking guy, if he's got a crappy personality, he's an asshole I'm not going to be interested in him, period, end of story. And so it's personality first, you know. And if the guy's into it you know, some guys are into it and not until my wife and I got married and she, you know, she knew of, you know, my inclinations right away, and she kind of urged me to go ahead, you know, or she would, she would with some black guys that were. She would say, hey, so, and so is he's by, you know. If you want to suck his dick after he fucks me, go ahead, you know. Or or if you want to suck their dick and get them hard before they fuck me, go ahead, you know so. And that way I didn't have to ask you know.
Speaker 2:It was like she was like the inner intermediary that would go hey, it's OK, do it, I do it, you know. If you want to do it, do it, you know. And she got. She, she gets turned on by guys. She, she likes to watch guys too. She likes to watch guys too, but she likes to watch guys while something's happening to her. She isn't the kind that's just going to sit down and watch guys. Do it.
Speaker 1:Okay, so she's got to be like getting fucked or her pussy eat or something like that, right, right.
Speaker 2:And then she really gets off on it. It's like that's cool, because usually after the guys do something, then she might want to get involved. You know, in some way shape or form as a continuation of what's going on.
Speaker 1:Right, okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, so how did you meet this extraordinary woman? I mean, this is what your guys' life looks like right now, which is so, so interesting. But how did you guys get? Where did this start and how did you get to where you are right now?
Speaker 2:older than she is and I had some black friends that I partied with and you know we shared some ladies with and stuff. And just one particular friend you know I was a real close friend he said, hey, I got this, I got this. He called her a slut. He said I got this slut that we're fucking, that you've got to meet, because a lot of times we would talk about things you know and I would talk about your. You know your fantasy woman and you know I'd like to have my woman to be like this. I, like you know, I'd like to find a woman that did this or was like.
Speaker 2:And so one day, just out of the clear blue, he goes I got this slut. You really got to meet. I said, ok, what's she like? He said I'm not telling you, I'm not telling you, you just got to meet her. I don't want to put anything in your head. You got to come with me and you know, said like what?
Speaker 2:It was a Saturday or something. I'm pretty sure it was a weekend, it may have been a Friday night, but anyway. So I go with him and we go to this party house that some other guys you know were at, and we go in and there is my future wife on a bed spread as wide as you can get, with this guy fucking the hell out of her and four or five other guys standing around the bed talking you know and like, and she's fucked some of them, and some of them are waiting to do her first time and some of them are wanting more to do her second time. And I was like holy crap. And so my friend he goes, yeah, yes, and he pushes a couple of guys out of the way and we walk right up to the edge of the bed and she's being fucked and her eyes are glazed over but she looks over and my friend goes, tells her name and said this is blah, blah, blah and that's how we were introduced. She's still getting pounded and it's like she looks over and they're like hello.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, I'm busy. Oh my God, that's an amazing first impression.
Speaker 2:So I was like oh my God, you know, you know, and so that's the beginning of that. I mean, so there was, the questions were not the typical kinds of questions, you know, once she was freed up and we actually had a chance to talk, normally it's not the typical kind of oh, you meet somebody or you're introduced by somebody and you go on a first date and blah, blah, blah. I mean it was just completely upside down and backwards, you know. And we didn't even, we didn't even fuck the first time. What do you mean? We didn't do anything.
Speaker 2:I was so in shock I mean I just, I literally just watched her be fucked for like hours until she finally took a break, you know. And then I was like so scared to say anything to her Like, oh, I want to. I didn't want to say I want to fuck you, it was just like, oh my God, All I did was sit there and go like a blubbering idiot. You are fucking amazing. You are so fucking hot. You are, you know, just like. All of these things come spilling out of me because I didn't know what else to say, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like, hey, what are you doing tomorrow? You know, it's just all I could do was just be a complete ding dong in front of her.
Speaker 1:Well, obviously it worked out, but it sounds like you guys have really, you know, grown and evolved over the years. Like what has inspired you to do that? And have you made any decisions over the years where you're like, oh, that was, that didn't work out, like that was not, that didn't fit, that wasn't the right thing?
Speaker 2:well. Well, once we kind of did a little you know dating, so I'll call it dating um and I got up the courage to ask her to get married and I was scared to even do that and she was like okay. And I was shocked. So then it was like okay, now that she said yes, what do we do next? So then it was like okay, now that she said yes, what do we do next? So we had to start talking about, you know, what are we going to do, you know. And so for how are we going to live, where are we going to live? That sort of thing. And so I had this property and I said, hey, let's just build a house, let's build something that we can use and enjoy for years to come. And that's kind of what I started doing.
Speaker 2:And while we were building, you know, we rented for several years and I did this slowly and she gave her input on everything you know design, how, what you want on the interior, all this kind of stuff. You know we I mean, when we had to make a decision about something hell, it would take us maybe a month we'd sit and talk about it, you know, and everything. So it was like a love of labor to establish what we wanted, and then we just kept building it up and making it better and everything. But our conversations about the sexual dynamic of what we wanted to do with our lives, she wasn't about to. I mean, she told me when I asked her to get married and she said yes, she said, but there are some conditions. Number one I'm not going to stop fucking other guys, period. So you need to know that. And that's fine. I didn't, you know, expect you to. And so you know, when we got all of the conditions out of the way, that's fine, got all of the conditions out of the way, that's fine.
Speaker 2:Well, we just kind of did the swinging thing, because we knew some other couples we'd met, going to parties where there'd be couples there, you know, and we made some swinging friends and everything. And so it evolved. It evolved and it evolved into, as I think, the whole black superiority, black new world order, all of that kind of stuff started coming about and you started seeing it in the porn and all of that kind of thing. So what you were doing was you were adopting new vernacular to some of the same things you were still doing. You know that you'd been doing. You just had different ways to talk about it and it was stimulating New stimulation you have a new term for something that can be a stimulant, no, and so we would meet other couples that were like my wife, who liked pretty much nothing but black guys.
Speaker 2:You know, what do you think if we just kind of go mostly for black guys, you know, that's fine with me. You're the one that's making that choice. I'm fine with whatever you know you want to do. If the Martians come down here and land in the backyard and you want to fuck everybody on the spaceship, that's fine with me. It doesn't make any difference, you know. You know, whatever you want to do, you're the one. My pleasure comes from seeing your pleasure type of thing, you know, and that gets reinforced over time as you have experiences. The female will recognize the male's excitement and stimulation and she will know okay, that really got him excited. I fucked two guys in front of him and he just went bonkers. How about if I fuck three guys, or five guys, or nine guys? And so that's an evolutionary process.
Speaker 2:I think that pretty much all couples go through in some way, shape or form, no matter what their inclinations are Like ours is interracial.
Speaker 2:Even if you aren't interracial, you still have to go through that kind of thing that you learn from each other and once you learn and you trust each other, there's no lie. Nobody sneaks around. We hate the word cheating. I hate when people say cheat, because cheating is just like a lying and so we don't do that. You know, everything's got to be open and above board, you know. So we just kind of advanced along until we got to this point of where, you know, we started talking about the owned aspect and we talked about that for quite a while before, you know, putting a definition that we both felt comfortable with and could wrap our heads and minds around and everything, and then she said, yeah, let's do it. You know. So that kind of takes us through 20-some years, but you know, there's a lot of things in between there, specifics, but it's just an evolution, just evolved, just an evolution just evolved. Same way with my cuckoldness and bisexuality evolved too.
Speaker 2:So it started with just playing around, but now it's a big part of your cuckold identity, right, yeah, right. But if nothing happens, if we have a party, we have people over and nothing happens, for me, in that regard I'm not disappointed or anything. Okay, If they denied me everything for three weeks, four weeks, I would probably explode. When they finally gave me a chance to okay, you now can have sex with your wife. Hell, I would probably not last 30 seconds. I would be built up so much that it was like kaboom. You know, but that's hard to tell people how freaking fantastic that moment of explosion is. And it lasts. It can last 30 seconds. I mean, it's almost like this giant high that you just can't describe. You know it's just kaboom Lights flashing. You know your head spinning, you know the feelings are indescribable. That's amazing.
Speaker 1:I wanted to ask you there's a few other things I want to ask you about, but since we're talking about this and what it feels like for you, so I wanted to ask you about, like, what's, what do you get out of this dynamic? Most Like what is in it for you, because a lot of people will, people who don't understand this dynamic, will think you know, oh my God, like you're in, you live poor, you, you live in this house where you are at the bottom of the totem pole and you know you have to ask permission to go into the bedroom and like, it seems so unfair. So, for people who don't understand it, what you? How would you explain to this? Like, what's, what do you get out of this? What is this as a benefit for you?
Speaker 2:okay. Well, now that's a very good point and I'm sure there's many, many, many people have that question, thought and whatnot? Because I was so enamored with my own damn dick when I was a kid I'm still enamored with my own damn dick. So you know, I can masturbate watching them and and, and it feels fantastic to me. Now my thing is then I can tell myself, and sometimes I get told you can masturbate but you can't ejaculate. Okay, so you are getting pleasure. That is a pleasure that I embrace personally.
Speaker 2:Now some guys may not get that excited, get that kind of pleasure from just masturbating and watching. I can get that. I know what's going to happen when I finally have a release of some kind, and so it's a challenge for me, it's a turn on for me, a self turn on for me to go. Okay, I can be hard for hours watching her and watching him. Yeah, I'm not going to let myself go because I'm saving myself for when I finally am told you now have permission to have your wife.
Speaker 2:So it's a feeling of contentment, of real joy, of satisfaction. There's nothing like it. I mean it's a huge love way. I mean it really is. I, since I don't do the humiliation thing. It's not a humiliation thing to me, it's a pure joy thing. And I know that she knows that and that the bull knows that. And they're into providing me with what stimulates me. As I'm providing them with what stimulates them, my acceptance of it is a providing them of what they do, because I don't have any stipulations on oh, you can't fuck my wife, you know, on Wednesday, you know I want to do that, you know I let that be set because I like those things set for me, because they stimulate me. You know they make me go crazy.
Speaker 1:Isn't that a form of humiliation though I know you say you're not really into the humiliation.
Speaker 2:Well see, that's the thing I don't think it is. Now, somebody that's into humiliation might think that that's humiliating To me, that's stimulating to the point where my masculinity isn't threatened at all around these bulls.
Speaker 2:It's not threatened at all, bulls, it's not threatened at all. You know, if a bull tells me, get over here and suck my dick, I'm like over there as fast as you can get. You know, and to me it's not. It's, they know that that's what my serving them is a big, big, huge turn on. Okay. So if I'm, if I'm like, if a bull says, come over here and suck me off, I'm over there sucking him off. I get hard as hell. He might say don't you fucking come, just keep sucking my dick, don't you suck, don't you come. And he might say he might yell across the room to two or three other bulls saying look at this son of a bitch, suck my dick. You ought to try it, you know. So that stimulates the hell out of me and I don't feel emasculated, you know, by that.
Speaker 1:But I don't know that humiliation means emasculation or degradation. It just means fun. It's like a mental striptease, it's like teasing right.
Speaker 2:Exactly, exactly, yeah, and how you individually, as an individual, take that into your own. Stimulation is the difference, I think. To me it's like a joy to me. Whoopee, yeah, I love that shit. Now another guy might go oh gosh, you know, that just makes me cringe, but I'm going to do it and I love it, but it makes me cringe. I'm not that way, you know. So there's different ways, you know. I mean, maybe, maybe you're right, humiliation is got a huge kind of a description to it, or if you want to think about it that way, yeah, it sounds like the angst.
Speaker 1:you don't get the angsty part, the cuck angsty part, that kind of like uncomfortable, like it's it's a turn on, but it's uncomfortable. It sounds like it's thoroughly a turn on for you, but it is rooted in humiliation or teasing. Okay, now I think I understand it. This is so fascinating. I love this way. I love talking to cucks and getting the cuck experience in the perspective because, like, it seems like there's such a range and it's just fascinating to me how your mind works. Like it's so cool. I love it.
Speaker 2:Well, it's definitely something that I get. If you put 10 Cucks in a room and you had them all having this same conversation, you're going to get 10 different answers about everything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean there's a lot of common themes, but it's so varied. Yeah, absolutely, I mean there's a lot of common themes, but it's so varied, which is so interesting. So I want to ask you, though, quickly, before I get to my next question. I just want to ask you quickly, your wife OK, so you guys have evolved so much and you know you've gone down the black owned road and the living bowl and stuff like that, and there's this power totem pole and everything like that Do you feel like your wife has looked at you? Does she ever look at you differently? Does she maybe not respect you as much as she used to, or something?
Speaker 2:No, no, because this is a big fear that cucks have.
Speaker 2:I know, I know I heard you mention that on some of your podcasts. Yeah, no, and I think the reason is because we both have spent a lot of time over a lot of years having periodical conversations about this and expressing to each other our sincerity about how the other person is treating the other person, and that is. There's no question about somebody loving you. You know, if there's a catastrophe, she's going to be the first person there, period. Same way, if there's a catastrophe, I'm going to be the first person there. She knows that. We know we can count on each other. That's always there, period, end of story.
Speaker 2:So that dedication came from the very beginning, all the way through, and it's one of those things that you just nurture and grow it. It's like growing a garden, you know, and it just gets stronger and stronger as you go along, because you're going to face all sorts of medium-sized, little and large things that are going to happen. That's just part of life. That's going to test that, and when you have those tests and you get through those tests, you see that I can count on him. He's, he's always going to be there for me. I can count on her. She's always going to be there for me. I can count on her. She's always going to be there for me. I'm not going to question anything about her sexual likes and everything. That's what she wants, because that's what she loves, you know. I mean she loves the person she is, and she will tell you that she can be that way because I allow her to be that way and I can say the same thing.
Speaker 2:I couldn't be me without her.
Speaker 1:It is like a gift that you give each other. I just love that so much.
Speaker 2:And it's not, it's typical. You can find a married couple that's not into swinging, not into anything that's just traditionally vanilla, and they can say that very same thing, that's that trust and sincerity and caring about each other. So that's a thing that's got to be there. You don't even have to be married to have that, because we have some couples that have been together for 12 or 20 years, that aren't married, but they've been together, but they have that thing that cements their souls together, right, right.
Speaker 1:Okay, I want to ask you about the relationship between your live-in bull and your wife. Is it like a love feelings, romantic relationship, or is this just like a roommate kind of situation?
Speaker 2:It's a combination of both. It's an interweaving of both. Think about a garment that's crocheted. It's how it's put together, it's got both in there. It's a thing that her and I, when we talked about this concept of ownership, of ownership what she felt that ownership was was turning do and that she would basically not have any say. He could say I want you to come over here and do this, I want you to do that, and she'd just do it. So in the years that they've been there, he's been there and they've been developing this, we all three have been developing this.
Speaker 2:It's a combination of, like a visual, romantic sort of thing, like dating, romantic-like. New people can come that we don't know, and when we get introduced, you know, she might say to her in front of these people well, this is my man, and she will point, you know, or put her arm around her bull. Then she would go now, but this is my husband over here, and then I would come, you know, so she has this here, and then I will come, you know, so she has this, we have this language, you know, oh, and that, and that differentiates the thing. You know, this is my husband, my husband is always my husband, this is my man, though and is this live-in bull that you guys have?
Speaker 1:is he content with the situation? Like he is not looking for a wife one day.
Speaker 2:Oh no, he's fine because, number one, he had been married once. It didn't last very long and he's not younger than her or anything like that. We're all in the same age range. So, no matter of fact, when he was asked, do you want to like live with us? He was like ecstatic. You know. He thought hell, yeah, yeah, this is great. You know, and you know. And the financial aspects you know. And the financial aspects is he contributes and that's all that we ever wanted. I'm not going to put any amounts in, but he contributes. So food and everything, utilities, all that kind of he contributes with things, because he would have been paying rent, absorbent rent in another apartment for four or five years and all he would be doing was coming over and seeing us on a weekend or something. This way he's there all the time.
Speaker 2:So it changed everything, it elevated everything, it made everything more happy. I like to say it makes us all happy, you know, because it's an interaction that once we sat down at a table and came up with rules and this process took a little while it wasn't like, oh, let's sit down with a clipboard and we're going to come up with some rules tonight, and that's the way it's going to be. We had deep discussions about these things, right, and because every rule had to have. Why do we have this rule? It has some kind of dynamic that is a positive stimulant and turn on for us you have to enjoy it. Right, it can't just be a rule, Just, you know. Saying it all, there's a three way mutual situation here. So you know, once you establish those things, they work. They can work wonders. You know, you got to have rules. If you don't have rules, you got chaos. You know nothing works in chaos.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I can assume that and I say I've always felt this way. When people ask me, like do I want to have like a relationship, like a romantic relationship with a bull and stuff like that, I would always assume that like these, like three-way relationships, just require a lot more, uh, careful coordination, a lot of checking in, a lot of um. There's a lot of moving parts that you have to balance and figure out along the way, and I just thought it seemed like maybe a bit more work than just regular, like a regular relationship, um. So it sounds like you guys have taken a lot of great care and attention to sit down and really talk things out, and the time that you've taken, um to make sure that everything is working okay and adjusting things like that. So it seems like really like it's worked for you guys.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, and you, I mean you have to do that, you just have to um it. To me, it's not not any different than as a couple. You just sat down and you got to have rules and you got to have coordination there. For the third person, isn't that more? Isn't that much more difficult? Not in a lifestyle setting situation like this, because we all have schedules we have to work with and we already had been playing together for a long time, so we knew him quite well and he wasn't the kind that I mean, he loved us. You know, and it still does. You know, he, he, he liked us as people, period. Take the sex away, take that away. As people, we like each other. That's the main thing. When I said earlier that you have the character and everything of the person, you have to like that. You have to be into that, because you can find people that would go, hey, yeah, I'd love to do that, but they don't have the character and the personality to fit into that place.
Speaker 1:Does your wife consider herself a queen of spades? Does she identify with that label?
Speaker 2:But she doesn't have tattoos or anything. You know, she'll wear the little temporary things and stuff because we have parties. We have parties a lot, because we have a big swimming pool, a big cabana that's out, and I mean a big swimming pool Like you could maybe see that kind of size pool in a city park for kids. It's really big.
Speaker 2:I mean, we can host 35, 40 people, and we have this big cabana and we have this gigantic 12-person hot tub. Then we have another like six-person hot tub. That's on the back porch, because we built a house where all of the pool and all of that stuff's on the east side, on the backside of the house. It faces the sunset. It's a huge, long porch, runs the whole way of the house, so you can sit out there and watch, and then there's a little lake down below too, so we get to watch the sunset every night, you know. And so we got a porch there and we got a hot tub there too. It's a six-person one, you know so, and it's three stories and one story is just bedrooms and play big, huge playroom. But it also has a small little kitchenette area, you know, down there, with refrigerators and stuff, you know, so you can keep all your beverages and things down there. And it has a couple of different bathrooms down there, because when you have a large party you got to have bathrooms.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:You can't have just one bathroom. It does not work. So downstairs in the party room, we actually have four full-size baths with showers, and because people get sloppy enough that they want to take a shower, you know, I mean, because a lot of times in like this time of the year during the summer, we'll have parties outside, people will be fucking outside and they'll want to go in and clean up because I mean, they're, they're a sweaty mess, forget to come and all that stuff. They're sweating, you know, and they need to go in and take a shower, you know, or they want to, you know.
Speaker 1:So you know yeah, wow, it sounds like you're living your best cuck boy life, honestly, yeah yeah, and you know the term cuck boy.
Speaker 2:You know, one of the reasons that I joined your site is because, as I would listen to your podcasts and everything, I would think you know there's more to this than is being talked about or being said. So I said I need to join the site and I was kind of a little shy because I didn't know what the first thing to do. So I kind of did the introduction there and then waited to see some of the things that were said and tried to chime in with some stuff.
Speaker 1:And you know, so I'm still that's still a work in progress- but it's that your story is really amazing and I think that it's inspirational on so many levels because you are, like I said, you live in your best cuck boy life and you're it sounds like you and your wife and your living bull are just really fucking enjoying your life right now and that you've got to a point where everyone has so much joy together, creating so much joy together and just like this is a very fulfilling situation and dynamic that you have in these experiences that you're having, like I have so much jealousy right now.
Speaker 2:Oh no, don't be jealous.
Speaker 1:No, in a good way. I'm like I need okay, I'm making a list I need a house like that, four fucking bathrooms with the playroom. I need a big ass pool. I need all of this shit, okay Making a list over here.
Speaker 2:Well, you got to have the cabana.
Speaker 1:Don't forget the cabana, because you got to get when you get out. You can't be in the sun all day. You got to have the shade out there by the pool, that's right. So I'm over here fucking making a list because this is amazing, um, but it's going to be inspirational for a lot of people because, especially, um, for guys who really fantasize about the live in bull situation or the bisexual cuck situation or whatever, like all of these different aspects of this dynamic. People fantasize a lot about this. Very few, actually, that I know of that have made it happen for real. You're one of them. But I do come across guys who, like, feel like this is what they want, and so they're looking for a woman who will sign up for exactly what you have, almost exactly like what you have right now, the situation that you have right now. Do you think that this is it is realistic for guys to be able to like, almost like, shop for a curated cuck relationship like the one you have, or is this something that?
Speaker 2:I think that it's possible if you're on a some kind of site, like we when years ago we used to use adult friend finder. If you're on some kind of site, like we when years ago we used to use adult friend finder, if you're on some kind of site and you are very specific about what you're looking for and you and you then it's a matter of look. If somebody comes across you and you are able to talk with them and I don't know how you would do it, like just meeting somebody in public, you know for the first time. First of all, how in hell do you let them know what you're interested in? You know?
Speaker 2:So, I think it's possible, but you can't force it to happen, you can't make it happen. I got lucky, that's all I can say and that's all I tell guys. I got lucky. Yeah. How many guys walk in with your buddy? You're single, your future wife. The first time you see her, her legs are spread open and she's having the hell fucked out of her, and by a black guy, and there's four or five standing around her waiting to fuck her or are they?
Speaker 2:already fucked her. I didn't know at that point. You know, and I mean, even when I talk about it today, it's like your mouth drops open and you go. Well, how do you describe this? You know, this is like crazy, you know. But I have talked to guys. We have a couple we know and they met at a swingers swingers kind of party thing where they went to one of those hedonism things down in the.
Speaker 2:Bahamas or something like that. Yeah, and they met and they were both married to different people at the time, but they met and they they their partners. They ended up getting divorced and they remembered each other and they contacted each other and they got together and they'd been together for like 15 years and they were having a great, swinging, cuckold life situation. So you never know how this is going to happen and you can't force it. All you can do is take advantage of. Maybe here's what I always tell people a wise person makes more opportunities than they find. So you have to make your opportunities. What are those? Well, join some sites, adult friend finders, some of these specialty sites. State what you're looking for, be specific. Don't cheat on what you say. Put everything out there in front and wait and see. It's kind of like fishing. You got the right bait, you might catch a fish. There's no guarantee but you're certainly not going to catch that fish if you don't get the fishing pole, get the line, get the bait, go out to the place and drop the line in. You got to do those things. Yeah, yeah, agreed, and you know it's not going to, it's not going to find itself for you. Yeah, and when guys say, well, I'm just too shy for that. Well, that's fine, I'll tell you.
Speaker 2:A lot of guys have fantasies and that's all they're ever going to have is a fantasy For us. If you ask me what's my fantasy, I don't. I can tell you what I love, but I think most of the things that are fantasies are things we do. You know, things we do. My wife has made a comment before when people ask her about fantasies and she'll say I only have one fantasy, she says I want to eat Katy Perry's pussy while Snoop Dogg fucks me doggy. So she knows that's never going to happen, but that's because that's a fantasy. But she says it's a great fantasy.
Speaker 1:That's funny. Your wife sounds amazing and you're right, you did get lucky Like. I can't even believe the story about how you guys met. That is so fantastic. It sounds like she is just the right person for you and you guys were really fortunate to be able to meet each other and connect like that.
Speaker 2:It is A lot of. It is pure luck, being in the right place at the right time and that sort of thing. But you can kind of fudge. Like I said, if you put yourself out there on some of these sites and you say exactly what you're looking for and you're honest about that and people contact you and talk to you, you might meet somebody that way. You're certainly not going to meet anybody if you don't do something like that.
Speaker 1:That's right. Yeah, absolutely Okay. We have run out of time, which is unfortunate because I still have all of these questions I wanted to ask you. However.
Speaker 2:We'll have to do it again.
Speaker 1:We'll have to do it again. And for those of you who are looking to connect with Cuckboy Chaz, he is in the Queens Quarters community. That's a free community. If you want to join, you can go to venuscuckledresscom or the link is in the show notes for today and you can see where he has posted his introduction post in the thread in the Q&A. I think it's in the Q&A thread. Anyway, it's in the feed somewhere.
Speaker 1:Um, but we are going to do a live meetup event, a live event together, myself and Cuckboy Chaz. We're going to be talking about this episode and expanding on on some things that we've talked about and also going over some things that we didn't get a chance to cover. So make sure you join the Queens Quarters community, if you haven't already, and then keep an eye out for that event. We will post the day and time in there and those are a lot of fun because as a member of the community, you can actually join that live event and you can ask questions, you can interact and you can. It's just a lot of fun. So, kakboi Chaz, thank you so much for being on the show.
Speaker 2:Thank you, my thanks go to you. Podcast Venus has ever done is very enlightening, informative and just absolutely fucking fantastic, and you're not going to find a woman in the world that's any more supportive of this lifestyle outside of my wife than Venus is, and so you just need to. You need to listen to everything she's got to say. Just worship her like she deserves. She's amazing.
Speaker 1:Damn right. So those are your instruction boys, whoever's listening right now. You got to go back and you got to listen from episode one all the way to this one. That's right and then comment on it in the Queens Corners community. Absolutely, that's your hallmark. Thank you so much for showing, sharing your story. I think it's so inspirational and it's so unique and so amazing, and I've just learned a lot from you today. So thank you for being on.
Speaker 2:Oh, you're welcome. Thank you for having having me thanks for joining me today.
Speaker 1:Make sure you go to venuscuckledresscom. That's where you can booka private chat with me, you can check out any cuckolding events that might be happening, and you can even ask a question for the show, as well as, of course, join the queen's quarters fan club and get all the benefits for that. You can also also follow me on Instagram, the Venus Kuckledrist podcast. I haven't been banned there. Well, I have, but not recently. You can also follow me on Twitter, or whatever the fuck you want to call it. My handle is at Kuckledrist V. That's it for today. We'll see you next time.