The Venus Cuckoldress Podcast
The Venus Cuckoldress Podcast
Tricking Your Wife Into Cuckolding You
Consent isn't optional—it's the foundation of all ethical sexual activity. Yet within corners of the cuckolding community lurks a disturbing trend that Venus and Doc Chocolate expose in this crucial conversation: husbands actively seeking ways to trick, manipulate, or coerce their unwilling wives into cuckolding scenarios.
Doc reveals being approached 10-15 times annually by men requesting his participation in elaborate schemes to seduce their unsuspecting wives—from fake "chance" meetings at bars to scenarios where husbands arrange situations to pressure their partners. These aren't isolated incidents but part of a troubling pattern that points to a serious ethical crisis.
The conversation takes an even darker turn when Venus highlights the disturbing online advice promoting tactics like getting women intoxicated, creating arguments to abandon them in vulnerable situations, or sharing their nude photos without consent. These actions aren't just morally reprehensible—they constitute sexual coercion, which is legally classified as sexual assault in both the United States and Canada.
Most shocking is the connection between these "lighter" forms of manipulation and horrific cases like Giselle Pelicot's, whose husband drugged her for nine years, allowing dozens of men to rape her while unconscious. Investigators later uncovered online groups with tens of thousands of members dedicated to teaching men how to drug and assault their partners—a chilling reminder of where boundary violations can lead.
Venus and Doc issue an urgent call to action for everyone in the lifestyle—bulls, cucks, hotwives, and community moderators—to actively denounce these behaviors, report concerning content, and help build a culture that prioritizes safety and genuine consent. Having a fantasy never justifies violating someone's boundaries, and if a partner declines to participate, the only appropriate response is respect.
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That's going to be it for today's episode. Thank you so much for joining me. Make sure you go to venuscuckoldresscom. That's where you can book a private chat with me, and you can also join the Queens Quarters community and get all the amazing benefits, like the private podcast and the helpful cuck tier, where you can get key holding for the private Snapchat group, monthly private chats with me and weekly live hangouts and invites to special live events. Oh, and you can also submit a question or confession for the show. Just go to venuscuckledresscom and click on the link that says the podcast. Make sure you follow me on Blue Sky Social. Yes, I said Blue Sky Social. Fuck Twitter. My handle there is at CuckoldressV. All right, that's it for today's show, you guys. We'll see you next time. Welcome to the show everyone. I'm your host, venus, and thanks for joining me today.
Speaker 1:My last episode was apparently so hot that it got pulled down on YouTube. I got a warning on my account. I get it. It was great, becca and Drew were awesome and, but yeah, very, very, very sexy Apparently too sexy for YouTube. Anyway, if you want to have a look at the video version of the episode, then you can check it out in the Queens Quarters. If you are a Friends with Benefits or Helpful Cuck to your supporter, you can find it in there.
Speaker 1:Today's episode is also shocking, but in a very, very different way. I hope that this episode provokes dialogue and inspires action from within the cuckolding lifestyle. It's definitely time I am joined by Doc Chocolate. We're going to be talking about a very, very, unfortunately, common issue, but one that really needs to have a light shone on it, so we're going to dive into this really fucked up issue today. So we're going to dive into this really fucked up issue today. But first, for events, I have one event that's coming up. It's Tuesday, may 13th. Join me in the Queens Quarters community for a live chat. It's free for anyone to join. It's a general question and answer kind of session. I've been having those often lately and they're a lot of fun. So if you want, you can join up and you can find all of the details in the description notes for today's episode. Also, in the Queens Quarters community, you can join the conversation. We're going to be talking about this subject today, so you can join the conversation in the Queens Quarters community. Like I said, you can get free, limited access to that. Link is in the show notes for today. All right, before we jump into this episode, here is a quick message from Joy Mode.
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Speaker 2:I'm ready.
Speaker 1:Okay it, doc. Are you ready? I'm ready, okay. So um, I we had a conversation it was not that long ago where I was shocked with some of the advice that was being given out online, where guys were telling cucks were and bulls were telling cucks husbands how to trick their wife into her ultimately having sex with some other guy. And you blew my fucking mind when you told me how often you get approached by men who want you, they want to get a conspire with you to trick the wife into sleeping with you. Am I right? Like what was like? And apparently not just once, not twice, but how often does this happen to you?
Speaker 2:So, venus, yeah, it was a great discussion that we had and it's happened multiple times where it's a thing right. So if something happens maybe once or twice because I've been in the lifestyle for about seven and a half years so if something happens once or twice, I don't really think that it's a thing right. But if it's happened so many times that I lose track of it, then I believe that it's a thing, and I can definitely tell you that it's happened at least 10 to 15 plus times. So it's nothing where it's like happening way too often or multiple times a month or anything like that, but it's happened on more than one occasion where I've been thinking in my head that this is a really fucked up type of mentality to have guys.
Speaker 1:So what exactly are they asking you? In general?
Speaker 2:So in general, basically, the more popular approach is hey doc, looking for a BBC to fuck my wife and what I like to do is have you pick her up at a bar. So here's the scenario, Black guy, I'll take my unassuming wife to a bar out there in Las Vegas and then I will leave to go to the bathroom or go somewhere else, when in reality I'll be in a corner watching from afar. And then you come in and you swoop in with all your BBC prowess and you try to entice her and flirt with her and try to get her to go back to the room to go sleep with her. And that's typically the approach.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:And I'm assuming that the wife is not in on this plan, like she doesn't know about it. Maybe she is still on the fence or she he's brought it up to her and she's basically like, yeah, no, I don't think so, ralph, I don't think this is for us. And he's arguing with her. But Mary, she's like Ralph, god damn it. No, no means no. And then Ralph is like, ok, whatever you know. And then they come to you know, maybe an anniversary trip or a work trip to Vegas, and he's like, oh, I can make this happen, you know. And that's usually how it plays out.
Speaker 1:Wow, and so you said that this is a thing, that this happens often. Is this like maybe two, three times a year that you get guys who want to want you to do this for them?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I'd say that's a good, accurate number. It was probably about maybe 10 to 15 times a year when I was actively doing lifestyle, because nowadays, just because of my schedule, I'm not really active on, you know, sites like Cassidy or dope, friend finders or anything like that. But uh, when I was, it was like there was way more people that would do that. Uh, but in the content creation space, uh, people are less apt to do that.
Speaker 1:Okay, so 10 to 15 times a year, uh, and you're just one of the guys out there who's in the lifestyle. So I wonder how problematic this is. How many guys are actually trying to plan these things. That's a bit shocking for me and worrying for me. But let's talk about it, because I'm assuming that you've never said yes, like you're like nah, she's not in, you know in on this, then I'm not doing it, right.
Speaker 2:So I've never said yes, there was this one time. She's like hey, venus is giving me the look. She's like right, next time I see you, doc, I'm gonna slap you across your face. So uh, there's this guy, and he had booked me for a sensual massage for his wife, right, and so I go there. And you know, I'm just. You know, there's nothing that's sticking out, that's, you know, shady or anything yeah, yeah, no red flags.
Speaker 2:And so I get there, and usually for these types of things whether it's lifestyle or content creation or essential massage nine times out of 10, hell, 99 times out of a hundred it's usually the guy that's setting it up, so that's typical. And so we meet at a bar. Usually that's where I meet up with couples when I'm doing sensual massages or, hell, even lifestyle in general, right. And when we get there, I meet him by the elevators and he's like all right, he's already paid me my 50% deposit, right. And so he's like okay, so what I'm going to do is my wife is down there at that table down there. She's wearing like the little black cocktail dress and she's right there Like I'm going to go off. And then I want you to like flirt with her and try to convince her to fuck her.
Speaker 1:And I was like.
Speaker 2:So he basically put me on the spot. I'm thinking that this is just a regular type of you know, central massage. You know, usually it's the guy that's you know the catalyst and wanted to get this set up. And usually the wife always knows about it, right? She just needs to meet up with me and see that I'm, like, you know, a somewhat cool guy, and build rapport, right? So that's what I'm used to. So in this case he was.
Speaker 2:He said all this bullshit and so, hey, this motherfucker throws me for a loop. I'm like wait what? And I was like so you haven't told your wife? I'm confused, like what's going on? And he's like, well, yeah, well, yeah, you know, he starts trying to backtrack, because I guess he sees a look on my face and he's like well, you know, um, yeah, we, me and margaret, we talked about it, you know, at times. And you know, blah, blah, blah. But she doesn't really know about it. And I'm like, dude, I'm like this is fucked up. I was like why, why would you put her through that? And then, on top of that, you're putting me through this bullshit because you're you know what I'm saying. Had I known that, I wouldn't have even taken the, the deposit, you know. And so you know I'm going to keep the deposit anyways, regardless.
Speaker 2:But, um, so, anyways, you know, I basically go over there. I'm just like, okay, I'm here, you know, uh, whatever, right. So I go there and I talked to the wife and she's very, you know, she's welcoming, you know. And so when I talked to her within the first two, three minutes, I'm thinking in my head, venus, I'm like, okay, maybe this is a kink of theirs, maybe she does know about it, but they're playing the whole stranger pick me up at a bar type of thing, because she's way too welcoming to me. I know I may have a silver-coated tongue, but my game isn't that tight. You know what I'm saying? Hey, I'm just saying she's way too inviting to me.
Speaker 2:And so we talked for about maybe five minutes and whatnot, and I could tell she's totally comfortable with me, she's giving me good body language, and so I'm kind of thinking in my head okay, well, I feel a little bit more comfortable with this, right, still fucked up, but whatever. And so the guy comes back after about five minutes and he sits down and he's like, oh, hey, margaret, who's this? And she basically tells him and I'm still thinking it's a kink. But then he's like, well, hey, you know what, we'll be cool, as if Doc took you upstairs to our room and gave you a massage and this and that. And I'm waiting to see what her response is and she's looking kind of shocked and dismayed and she's like, yeah, I don't think I'm comfortable with that.
Speaker 2:And then I'm like, oh, maybe this wasn't a thing. And then I'm like this is some fucked up bullshit, right. So I kind of just sit back and I'm just like observing, right. So I'm not pushing either way, I'm just listening to this man and this woman kind of go back and forth, right, and it was friendly. But then he kept on pushing, right, right. And then she's like the more he pushed, right, right. And then, uh, she's like the more he pushed, the more she put up her walls, right. And then I was like, uh, uh, trying to get out of there. I was like, okay, you know what, guys here, I'm gonna let you guys talk and converse and I'll see myself out.
Speaker 2:And he's like oh no, no, no, no stay dog because he's paid.
Speaker 1:He's paid right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, he's paid, oh my god, and either way, venus, I'm keeping your money. Yeah, I'm keeping your money because you know, again, I, you know, scheduled out my night for you and I drove out there and stuff like that. I got ready, you know, and you know shaved and you know, did some push-ups, and you know, like, yeah, I'm keeping your money, you know. So eventually I do leave and I'm just shaking my head just laughing, you know, and you know, like, yeah, I'm keeping your money, you know. So eventually I do leave and I'm just shaking my head, just laughing, you know, and you know, he even offers to pay me the rest of my money, you know, but I'm like, nah, man, you, you know, keep the remainder of the money, you know.
Speaker 1:So, uh, yeah, so that was one time that, you know, I even somewhat enticed that situation and yet it's shocking how often you get asked to do that exact same thing, pretty much that exact same scenario. Let's, you know, trick my wife into this. We can pressure her and it'll work out. And, oh my god, this is so fucked up yeah um, yeah, so I yeah, um, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I recently started going on Reddit and I like this cuckold psychology thread that's on there. It's interesting. There's some weird ass posts, but most of them are pretty genuine, um, but I read one which just pissed me the fuck off again. It's this kind of mentality of let's trick her into it. So I'm just going to read it quickly here. This was actually written by a bull, somebody who calls himself a bull, okay, and his advice to this guy was the original person who posted said that you know, my wife is really hesitant, she doesn't really want to do it. Um, she's. You know, there's a fine line between completely rejecting it and being slightly curious. Blah, blah, blah. And the advice that this bull gave was bring a friend friend in air, quotes, okay over and mention he thinks that she's hot, keep it up for a week and invite him back. Then talk about cuckolding with both present. It'll happen.
Speaker 1:I did this with a couple, came over for what he called a furnace inspection, chatted the couple up for a bit and left. Hubby set the wheels in motion for a few days till the part came in. I returned and she was alone and nervous as hell. My phone buzzed and hubby said go for it. Hubby told the bull, go for it. I looked her in the eye and I said your husband just texted me and asked me to take you to bed. Would you like the bed or right here? He said she'd been sitting on the fence for years and had chickened out at the last minute before, so she did not want to do this and the two of them got together and made this plan that they were going to trick and pressure this wife into it and put her on the spot like that man.
Speaker 1:It made me feel fucking ill to read that. It made me feel sick to my stomach. It made me feel fucking ill to read that. It made me feel sick to my stomach. It made me feel so bad for her. And this is not the first time I've seen advice like that given out online. That post is still up. That comment is still up, which I think is shit. Like.
Speaker 1:Whoever's moderating that group needs to put a stop to that, because what I want to say is I think that there's this idea with guys out there that who think that this kind of suggestions, advice, behavior, planning, executing all that stuff is normal, like there's like there's like maybe it's a little shady and maybe you shouldn't do it. Maybe some guys have that in their mind, like, yeah, I don't know, but if it works out, then everything is going to be great, because then she'll figure out that this is awesome and she likes it. And then, um, you know, I don't have to, I don't have, like I don't know, I don't know what the thinking is. But I think that the most of these guys think that this is normal and this is okay. And I just want to actually point out that this is not normal and that this is not okay.
Speaker 1:And in North America this is illegal, this is against the law. And so sexual coercion which I'm going to define it for everybody listening right now, so you understand what this actually is, you can recognize it and be like, oh, that's what that is. Sexual coercion is a form of sexual violence where someone is pressured, tricked or threatened into engaging in sexual activity that they don't want to do. Yeah, and the ways that people sexually coerce others mainly is with pressure and manipulation, but people also use threats and intimidation. But all of those things is equals. Consent is not freely given. Of those things is equals. Consent is not freely given. If you have, if you're implementing those things.
Speaker 1:Consent is not freely given and it is a crime in Canada. It is a crime in the United States. It falls under the umbrella of sexual assault or sexual abuse laws. Sexual coercion is where somebody is pressured or manipulated into sexual activity. It is a form of sexual assault and it is illegal. And I hope everyone listens to that last part. It's not okay. Not only is it fucked up for you to be doing this to your wife, it's dishonest, it's manipulative, it's just trickery. Why the fuck are you engaging in that in a relationship where you should be honest and open and trust each other?
Speaker 1:I would be fucking fuming if my husband was making these plans behind my back yeah and trying to trick me like that after I had said no, I would be so angry that I my marriage would be over. I'd be like get the, get the fuck out. I don't trust you. You know this is not okay and just makes me really upset.
Speaker 2:Yeah, as you should be.
Speaker 1:Did you know that it was illegal?
Speaker 2:So I didn't know that it was illegal per se. Now I know that obviously, if you are pushing a woman to do a sexual act that's against her will, obviously that's illegal. But I didn't know to do it, but she did do it Versus, okay, what's that line where she was totally without consent and she was being basically sexually attacked, right, like what's that defining line? That's what I would like to research. But I feel that in the lifestyle space, we shouldn't even approach that line or that gray area. You know, especially if you're a new guy. And I feel, like you know, in this instance there's two, uh, parties at fault. There's, you know, number one, there's the husband and then, number two, there's the bull Right and so, with the husband, well, and before I even talk about the husband and the bull's role in this, like guys and ladies that are listening to this mostly guys who are listening to this there's two things that you want to make sure that a woman feel in the lifestyle. You want to make sure that, number one, she feels safe and, number two, that she feels comfortable. So safety and comfort are the two pillars of making sure that your ladies have a good time and that we're all having a good rollerco coaster fun of a time, because we can do that, you know. But all parties need to feel comfortable, you know, and women especially need to feel safe.
Speaker 2:Now, husbands, usually it's you that are bringing up the lifestyle to your lady. That's fine, you know. Maybe you have this sexual kink, this fantasy or whatnot that you want to become reality, and that's fine. But the old saying goes that you can bring a horse to water, but she can't make it drink. So you can bring your lady to the water, but you can't force her to drink. So talk about the lifestyle and whatnot. And if she gives resistance and whatnot, then you basically have to go with that. If she just basically flat out says no, ok, then it's no, you know. I mean it doesn't mean that you can't talk about it further, but you shouldn't try to put her in a situation that's going to make her feel unsafe and uncomfortable. You know, because you, as her husband, are supposed to be her protector and, like venus said, you know she's like I would dip out.
Speaker 1:I'll I would get divorced. Yeah, fuck you, I'm out like you know.
Speaker 2:That's not cool and yeah, y'all don't know venus like she. Hey, she, she's a little bit hood. You know she come from canada, but she's a little bit hood she'll. She got a shank in her purse at all times. And then the bulls I feel they have that second responsibility as a man to make sure that the woman that they're going to potentially play with feels comfortable.
Speaker 2:So every situation that I go into, especially if it's a lifestyle situation, a central massage situation or whatnot, I'm always asking the guy, because I'm usually conversing with him. At the beginning I'm asking him what is her do's, what are her do's and don'ts. But then when I get there in person and I'm talking to the lady, I always ask her what her do's and don'ts are, and so I'm listening to what she's saying and then I'm also reading her body language and seeing how she's saying things and whatnot, and I'm very, very clear, just so that I know what her comfort levels are, because at the end of the day, the guy can say anything that he wants, but I don't care what he says. All I'm worried about is what the woman says is her do's and don'ts and wants right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think that there is a gray area. Honestly, I feel like, if it's a no from her, even if it's a I don't know, or even if it's like a maybe that's not an enthusiastic yes, and you don't start pressuring somebody, or you don't pressure somebody at all If they are not an enthusiastic yes. That's how I feel about that.
Speaker 2:I feel like, cause, let's see where you're coming from. I feel like, so, having conversations, right, if she says no or she's kind of like blah, blah, blah, okay, I feel like we should continue the conversation, but you shouldn't be aggressive on trying to push it Right. So maybe it's a thing where you have continued conversation, right. Um, actually, you know, like, making it a physical thing, where you're actually putting her physically in that situation. Yeah, to me that's definitely.
Speaker 1:There's no gray area there, you know, know, uh, but I feel like it's okay to keep having the conversations, but you shouldn't put her that, uh, that clear-cut, physical situation, unless it's like a hell yes from her, you know yeah, um, some of the other shitty things that I've seen a lot online as advice, oh, and this one is just brutal as advice for husbands on how they can get their wife to cheat on him or, you know, have sex with another dude. Basically, they come up with all sorts of strategies, but what's really alarming is a very common one is get her really drunk. Get her nice and drunk is what they say. Just get her nice and drunk, take her to a bar. And one guy even said go to a bar, get her nice and drunk Like oh, just the language of it is fucking horrible and then start an argument with her and leave her there. That was his advice to this guy and I was like, oh my god, and nobody's calling this out as like horrific.
Speaker 1:Not just horrific in that you're trying to make her so that she's intoxicated and therefore you know less likely to say no to somebody's advances, but you're fucking leaving her there or you're starting an argument in your relationship for with an ulterior motive like this is so fucked up. You sound like a piece of shit human being. If you do that to somebody you supposedly love. Oh, it's just so fucked up. I just can't get over it and but nobody calling out these really this really fucking shady bad advice, which is the other flip side of it.
Speaker 1:The problems are these dudes themselves, like you said, and then the bulls who go along with. This is terrible, but also for all the people who are just turning a blind eye to this, like online. What the fuck? Fuck you guys. You don't call this out, but yeah, the whole getting her drunk or getting her high stoned is really fucked up. It's very much reminding me of, or even okay, this other one. It sounds very benign, but this is so hugely problematic and you've probably come across this as a bull Husbands sharing nudes of their wife without her consent, um, online, just to get the reaction from bulls like oh she's hot, I love her titties, her ass is great, what a great pussy. Blah, blah, blah, I'd love to do this to her. Blah, blah, blah. And so you know cucks are wanking off to it thinking that, like, that's so hot, oh my god.
Speaker 1:And meanwhile, example venus is stellar but they're just like, oh my god, so exciting. Um, meanwhile, she has no idea that he's doing this. She has no idea that her pictures are now out there with random people again and it's just like it's so gross, like it's so fucked up, like I don't know. I don't know, guys, why do you think that this is okay? This is not okay. Don't fucking do that. If my, my husband was doing that, I would fucking kill him. Like that is not okay. Ever, where's the trust, motherf? Like it's so not okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But why this bothers me so much. I've put a lot of thought into this and I hope that all the guys listening are really listening to this part, Because you might not think that this is such a problem. Let me tell you how much of a problem this is. I don't know if you've heard of Giselle Pellicote.
Speaker 2:I have, I have, I have. She was not in the US. I think. Britain is it, france, france, okay, yeah, so she.
Speaker 1:For those of you listening, I hope you guys have heard her name and know her story, but if you haven't, she was, I believe, in her 70s. But if you haven't, she was, I believe, in her 70s and she found out that. Well, she didn't find out. The police found out that her husband was drugging her for nine years, drugging her with lorazepam, a sleepy, a sedative, and he invited over at least 72 men to rape her at least 92 times over the period of nine years. He filmed it all and that's how they found that. They know it was that many men, but it was probably much more.
Speaker 1:And he learned how to do this from a guy online who was drugging and raping his wife and he then taught Giselle's husband how to do it. And then, of course, giselle's husband taught other men online how to drug and rape their wife. Anyway, it was a horrific, horrific story. I don't know if the husband had cuckold fantasies. He loved to watch her get raped. He felt no remorse over drugging her. She had no memory of it, nothing. She thought she was getting Alzheimer's disease because she would black out. She had no idea and they were all brought to trial and sentenced, which is-.
Speaker 2:As they should have.
Speaker 1:As they should. Yeah, but the disturbing part was that men were teaching each other how to do this. It wasn't long after that trial that police I think it was in Germany found a telegram group of over 70,000 men from all over the world. This was a- 70,000.
Speaker 1:70,000. Shit, this was a rape chat group where men were talking about drugging and raping their mothers, their sisters and their wives and offering their wife to other men when they're drugged so they can be raped, and giving advice to other men on how to do this. 70,000. This was just one group online. This is so fucking vile because it just and so when I see these posts of, oh, get your wife really drunk, just get her super drunk, and then she'll, she'll do it, or you know, oh, it just gives me the fucking vomit feeling like it's so gross. Yeah, why do you think that this is okay to manipulate women in this way, for their body is so fucked up. Um, but I just also just recently watched the netflix series adolescence, which apparently 66 million other people just watched as well.
Speaker 2:I don't know if you've seen it is that the one with that that uh, that British boy, that uh and little girl and yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And, and one of the um themes in that um series is that through incel and manosphere culture online, um, kids are learning, especially boys are learning that, um, it's okay to trick women into getting their body, but in fact they say that, you know, women and girls need to be tricked and manipulated into sex or sexual acts or favors or whatever, because they wouldn't do so otherwise. And so that's what they're learning and that's what? And fuck, I'm just like I see a trend here If husbands are manipulating and tricking their wife into fulfilling this fantasy for them and they feel justified in doing that and that that's morally okay. And then we have, you know, these rape chat groups where husbands other husbands all across the world are saying, yeah, I can't get my wife to do this, but I'm just going to drug her and make it happen. This is so fucked up. And then, yeah, it's very upsetting. So, everybody listening right now, please can you just understand that this is actually a huge problem and in this lifestyle, this is not okay. You don't do that.
Speaker 1:So, getting back to what I was saying before, that the fact that this is not called out in this lifestyle is really kind of fucking weird. And so I'm calling. I would like right now to call upon all the bulls out there to call the shit out. If you see other guys, other bulls talking about this, conspiring together, doing these types of things, call that shit out. That's not okay and that's illegal. That's assault. Don't fucking do that Okay. That's not all right. And to anybody who moderates groups in this lifestyle where somebody posts something that is manipulating or trickery like that, please remove that shit, call it out, put it in your fucking rules and your guidelines for your groups that this is not okay. I think we need to start kind of building a culture of awareness around this that that is not okay. We don't do that. That's not okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, a hundred percent, and I mean there's so many layers to what you just talked about. This is a topic Venus which needs to be talked about repeatedly, because the more it's talked about, the more public it's going to be and you know, we'll see what a big, huge problem. It is right, this right, because when I heard the Giselle situation and I need to do more research into it I just heard about it offhand.
Speaker 2:I thought it was an isolated incident. And yeah, there's a few sick fucks out there that get into doing that. But for them to say that there's like a group, a telegram group, with 70,000 people conspiring to do this, that's very, very troubling, very troubling, you know, because that 70,000 strong group represents probably 70 million people, or not even maybe that much, but it represents a large, large population of men that think that it's okay and they basically support each other in doing that. So that's something that we need to talk about more and it's something that men need to understand that it's not just a male-female thing. It's a thing of being a basic good human being and making sure that you're not harming another human being, but in this case it's one that's supposed to be your wife, the one that you're protecting, the one that you're loving. It's sick.
Speaker 1:It is sick. Yeah, it is sick, yeah, it is. So I I wasn't, you know, I wasn't sure, like, with doing this episode. I wasn't sure because I, for there, I'm sure that there are some guys out there who genuinely don't, didn't, don't realize that how wrong it is, that maybe they will feel like shitty about it, you know, like, after hearing this, and then be like, oh yeah, I probably shouldn't have done that. Um, and for those guys like, good, good on you for learning and for changing your ways, that's fucking good, you know. But, um, for those, for other guys who are just like you know, I don't care, I'm still gonna do this. I just want to say, fuck you like you, fuck you, you're a piece of shit. Just just fucking stop already. I hope you get arrested.
Speaker 2:I hope she falls charges and I hope you go to jail that somebody that's big, he's six foot five and he has a big black cock. I hope he drugs you and he fucks you in the ass and you'll see how it feels no, he'd probably like it, he would probably I mean no, but I mean seriously, all joking aside.
Speaker 2:Uh, that's a big problem because, like, I think, okay, I think that the majority of guys that are out there, that are even you know, of this line of thinking, they're gonna line up more and, uh, hey, let me try to coerce my wife and set up this fucked up situation where the bull tries to entice her to fuck her. I think that's going to be the majority of offenders, but there's going to be a minority of them where they're taken into the extreme areas of fucked upness, where it's like, um, drugging, and you know that. That, honestly, venus, that blows my mind. That blows my mind. That is, uh, you know that, problematic, because that's sick it's really sick.
Speaker 1:What's it like to be a woman in the world right now? It's pretty fucking scary, honestly. Um, if this is, you know, your husband, this person who's, like you said, they're your protector supposed to be watching out for you, is willing to get you intoxicated or drugged and left in a strange place, or giving your body to other people, to strangers, without your consent.
Speaker 2:Oh my god yeah, and when I think about it, venus, it's like, uh, you're, you're probably inviting these guys up there and you're not even using protection. I doubt that they're even using protection, you know, and you're just having all these random strange dudes fucking her. They could be pumping her full of hiv, aids, gonorrhea, chlamydia and she doesn't even know.
Speaker 1:Giselle Pelico got an STD.
Speaker 2:She did yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's all levels of fucked up.
Speaker 1:Yep, it really is, it is.
Speaker 1:But the 70,000-member rape chat group was appalling. There was several groups that they found on Telegram, but that was the biggest one that they came across found on on like telegram, but that was the biggest one that they came across um, and they and people were actually, you know, posting videos of their wife or mother or whatever drugged and raped and stuff like they were actively teaching people how to do this yeah, I mean, could you imagine if there was like a group of 70 000 people that were terrorists and they're talking about all right guys?
Speaker 2:this is how we're going to create bombs and cause anarchy and blow up schools and government buildings. Could you imagine if there was a group of 70,000 guys like that? What type of news that would be?
Speaker 1:like news that would be, you know, could you imagine if there was a group of 70,000 women who are conspiring on how to drug and have their husband raped up the ass.
Speaker 2:I thought you were going to say hey. I thought you were going to say have woman sit on his face.
Speaker 1:No, like for all.
Speaker 2:Hey, when I die? When I die, I want to die of oxygen deprivation. I want to be asphyxiated by vaginas on my face.
Speaker 1:But I'm just trying to like for the guys listening, but you know, for the guys listening, like for all the hetero homophobe dudes out there, what if there was all these wives conspiring to get their asses fucked by dudes? You know, it's just like. That's the level of like. No fucking consent, no consent.
Speaker 2:When you said that, Venus, my ass cheeks clenched up very, very tightly.
Speaker 1:I know, you know what.
Speaker 2:I'm talking about.
Speaker 1:It's scary. Scared You'd be. Scared You'd be like, oh my God, god, I'm so scared of my wife right now. I feel like she's gonna drug me and somebody's gonna come over and fuck me up the ass and I'm gonna be gay tomorrow hey, it's only gay if you look into his eyes and he's smiling oh, okay but no, no, no, I mean all, all jokes aside, though I mean that's actually a really good analogy.
Speaker 2:That's a really good analogy, you know.
Speaker 1:Could you imagine if we were posting pictures of our husbands getting raped up the ass? How appalling that would be, you know?
Speaker 2:Yes, yes. What a different world You've got to be crying over here. What a different world you gotta be crying over here what a different world it would be. I just, I just imagine this poor brother up here and he's bound and he has his ass up in the air and like there's a line of like three, four big ass dudes just pounding him like he's drugged unconscious and he wakes up and he's like my butthole hurts.
Speaker 1:I don't understand why my butthole hurts. Why am I?
Speaker 2:getting hemorrhoids now. I've never had hemorrhoids before.
Speaker 1:Why do I have herpes now? So we laugh. But like seriously, I would you know? I hope that guys can look at this from a different lens Like, oh, what if this was flipped around? What if the world was really unsafe for you and your asshole was unsafe? Consent meant nothing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was actually a good analogy. That was actually a good analogy. So, guys, unless you want to be drugged and have your asshole fucked, don't do that to your wives. Yeah, don't do that. But yeah, and I mean, it's a thing where, men, we don't respect our wives and our ladies, as they should be respected. We should put them on pedestals and treat them as our queens and not saying that we need to just be overran by our woman and, you know, be, yes, men, and this, and that I mean, if that's the case, if that's how you guys do it. You know, for those guys that are in FLR, female led relationships, okay, if that's the lifestyle that you guys live and you both consent, okay, do it that way.
Speaker 2:But for just any general man outside of FLR, you should be treating your wife as a queen. You should be putting her on that pedestal. You should be treating her as a jewel and you putting her in this compromising position that's basically against her will, you're basically putting her at risk. You're basically putting her at risk of dying. What if she catches AIDS from your dumb actions? You know, don't do that. And I feel like this is a topic, again Venus, that we need to discuss over and over again. It's not just a thing that should be discussed once.
Speaker 1:Yes, and I think that goes hand in hand with building a culture of responsibility and safety in this lifestyle. To make it not okay, like right now it seems like this kind of behavior in the lifestyle is tolerated and it should not be. Let's shame the fuck out of these people. Like, don't do that. Like, don't come, don't. Like, don't do that. It's not okay. There's a reason why it is illegal to do that. To manipulate your wife into doing this in these sneaky ways, like, and for the guys listening who are like, oh, but she wouldn't do it in any other way, oh, my God, go to therapy, figure out what the fuck is wrong with you, because that's not all right for you to be okay with that. Like it's not okay for you to be all right in your moral fucking mind with doing that shit to your wife. Go to therapy, do the work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, cause, and guys, we're not saying that if you have a kink, that you shouldn't talk about it with your wife. So if you have a kink, yeah, you, you should talk about it with your wife, you should communicate it, uh, but if she says no, and it's an aggressive no, don't push it, okay. So one thing that I've seen that works with a lot of guys that want to jump into this lifestyle. Let's say, their wife is kind of like no, that's kind of weird, frank. They basically put out a lot of information, they put out the Venus Cacoldris podcast, bulls and Queens books and whatnot, and they let their wife learn that way and maybe she gets comfortable with it. Maybe she doesn't. If she doesn't, she doesn't. If she doesn't, then that's fine, but you just got to shelf that kink. If she says no and she's adamant on it, you just got to shelf that kink. It just is what it is.
Speaker 2:Okay, taking your example, venus, if your wife had a kink where she was like I've just always wanted my husband to get fucked in the ass, or I've always wanted to peg my husband in the ass with a 12 inch black dildo, okay, she can discuss it with you and, you know, maybe you say yes, maybe you don't. Maybe, if you're like, eh, I don't think so, honey, you know, maybe she says he's a bunch of podcasts talking about pegging, maybe you change your mind and you're like, okay, let's explore this, maybe you don't. But if you say no, I don't want this 12 inch dildo in my ass.
Speaker 1:she has to respect what you say yes, absolutely, and it's the same with any kind of kink that you don't really like, that you like there's all sorts of I don't want to say extreme kinks out there, but there's some fucking, there's some shit out there. Okay, and like I, I always still for guys who are like, but my wife just won't do this fantasy for me. I'm like, well, what if you had, what if she had a kink that was so revolting to you that you were just like, oh hell, no, like like she really like wants you to wear a diaper and shit in it so she could eat it.
Speaker 1:Like you know it exists, it's a thing. Okay, I really want you to wear diaper, shit in it, so I could eat it. And then, like what? I'm not comparing cuckolding to wearing a diaper and shitting it and eating it, but I'm just saying that, like when it's a kink that you're not into and you're just like I cannot get into this at all, like I'm sorry this, you're really into this, but like I cannot then put yourself in her shoes and understand that, like okay, maybe this is asking too much yeah, side notes, I'm not sure if Kathy Kay from Strictly Anonymous ever told you this story, but she had a guy that would.
Speaker 2:He would nut cum inside of a condom and then he would take the cum and put it in a batter of eggs and batter it up and then he would fry it and then he would eat it. So he would eat some cum eggs. Because I was interviewing her and I asked her what's the weirdest story you've heard? And she told me that and I was like wow yeah see, I've become aversion.
Speaker 1:I just I immediately want to throw up when I think about that you wouldn't.
Speaker 2:You wouldn't eat those scrambled eggs.
Speaker 1:It's full of protein I and see I cannot, because I physically get sick, and so if somebody had this like fetish thing I would just be like I'm so sorry, but like I cannot, I cannot, I can't, I can't go there I can't eat those eggs.
Speaker 1:Take those eggs away from me yeah, so, yeah, that's a funny story, though I've heard way worse than that, though. Um, there's some, there's some crazy kinks out there, yeah, but yeah, okay. So, um, going back to what we said earlier, I think the point of doing this show is to wrap this up anyway is that, personally, I would like for people to stop normalizing this and start actually calling it out for what it is and that it's not okay. So, for bulls out there, call the shit out. Okay. For cocks out there, if you hear about stories about this, call the shit out. Women, if your husband is trying to, if you catch him trying to do this to you, know that this is not okay. This is not all right. This is against the law. You can't do this to people, okay, and, and moderators out there, please clamp down on this shit, because we can't be having people learning about this shit online, this awful behavior online learning about this shit online, this awful behavior online, yeah, and honestly, like on a Reddit community.
Speaker 2:If they're talking about illegal things, if you report it, they're going to get the group banned. You know, there's a reason why this the 70,000 man group talking about raping their wives. There's a reason why this the 70,000 man group talking about raping their wives. There's a reason why it was on Telegram instead of Reddit because that shit would have got banned with the quickness. So if you see groups like that out there where they're basically it's just groups focused around harming women report the group yeah, absolutely, so this has been the beautiful lovely, gorgeous women.
Speaker 2:report the group. Yeah, yeah, absolutely so. This has been the beautiful, lovely, gorgeous Venus Kakodris, and you can find her at VenusKakodriscom, and the semi decent looking Doc Chocolate. You can find him at. Bullsandqueenscom. So until next time. Y'all have fun and eat your eggs. Ew. That's going to be it for today's episode. So until next time.
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