The Venus Cuckoldress Podcast
The Venus Cuckoldress Podcast
Pussy-Free Cuckolding from Their Wedding Day
Emma joins the show to share the story of her cuckolding marriage.
"We are a married couple in our late thirties, and we have an active cuckolding relationship with sissy dynamic. We have also had a pussy free marriage ever since we got married a few years ago. Ever since we met five years ago, we started talking about cuckolding. The concept was very familiar to him, and I realized immediately after looking into it that this may have been what I've hoped for my entire life. It only took a few months after I had my first hot date with my first lover (who just happened to be black). It has since evolved into an inseparable and loving part of our relationship. Scary and unknown at first, but with open communication we very quickly realized that this was perfect for us. I always play alone, and have through experience found my love for black men. I think a key lesson has been that even a very regular couple (on the surface) can be like this and do some quite wild and unconventional things while being very balanced, truly happy, and in a sustainable cuckolding relationship without it feeling like something from a porn fantasy."
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This is the Venus Cuckoldress podcast, a place to learn all things cuckolding for the curious, for the passionate and for the sexually empowered woman who wants it all. Let's go. Welcome to the show everyone. I'm your host, venus, thanks for joining me today. And today I have such a great story.
Speaker 1:Emma's on the show. She's going to share her story about their cuckold, pussy free marriage, pussy free as of their wedding day. She pegged him on their wedding night and then ever since then he's been pussy-free. And I know that a lot of couples actually most couples that I've come across in this lifestyle who enjoy cuckolding, are not pussy-free, meaning that there is no sexual denial between wife and husband or partner and partner, and and so it's usually just, you know, a fun cuckolding is a fun little thing that they use to kind of spice things up in the bedroom. But for some couples they do want to go down this road of sexual denial and like I get it. I understand for many reasons I get that why that can be such a strong desire for couples. For a lot of the times it's just a lot less pressure for the husband to perform sexually and he appreciates that part of it. But also some guys really honestly think that. Or they feel like being pussy free and giving their wife this gift of you know, sex with other guys is very much like a form of devotion to her or a sense of devotion to her. So I get that. And then there's other people, you know, when they're in just like a power dynamic, and this is all part of that. This is the part that's the quote, unquote, unfairness of it all. So I get it. There's a lot of reasons why people want to do the pussy free thing. There's a lot of guys fantasizing about the pussy free thing. If that's what gets you off, you're going to love this episode because she talks about what it's actually like for her and why they love it and why it works for them. But first, events I recently went to Europe to do a couple of meet and greets events with fans and I put it out there that on these couple of days I would be in these different places and at these times and you know it was open to anybody to come and say hello, to meet me, to cheers for a drink or whatever, and and that's, it was going to be like a casual, fun meeting Great thing.
Speaker 1:One of them was in Dublin. One of them was in London and they were a lot of fun. Ok, dublin was a mix of, like couples and singles, and lots of my helpful cucks came in from all different parts of the world actually uh, to to hang out and spend some time with me while I was there in Dublin, and it was awesome. It was so fun. The meet and greet was great. I got to meet some couples and singles and, um, and they were able to, you know, tell me about their stories and stuff like that, and I loved it. Okay, for those of you who are listening who got to meet me in Dublin, that was so much fun. So thank you so much for coming out to that. Dublin was my favorite city of all the cities I went to. It was just such a vibe. I love it there. I definitely want to go back to Ireland and spend like at least a week exploring, because four days was not enough, but it was so great to spend some time with my helpful cucks.
Speaker 1:There was four of them who went out and spontaneously decided that they were all the next day going to go out and get owl tattoos and, for those of you who have not heard, this is the new symbol for Cucks is the owl. And why the owl, you ask? Well, because owls are always watching, and always watching in the night. So we thought I thought this would be a great symbol for Cucks. And so, anyway, they all went out and got owl tattoos and matching owl tattoos. So they all agreed on one design. It's a really nice black silhouette of an owl and they each got it on different parts of their bodies, and for two of them it was the very first tattoo that they'd ever gotten and it was just awesome. They all went to the same tattoo parlor, got it all done all at the same time, and I was just thrilled because it turned out it's so well and I was just like so happy that they all went and did this. So thank you to all my helpful cucks out there who got owl tattoos. That was awesome.
Speaker 1:And then London the London meet and greet was at this really cool kind of like loungy pub kind of place and they set aside like a meeting room not a meeting room but a space for me to have my meet and greet there, which was pretty cool, and there were lots of people that came. It was a kind of a mix of couples, singles and bulls and my helpful cucks, and so it was so fun. It was such a fun vibe, like everybody was just kind of mingling and having a great time and talking to each other and I got to meet everybody and it was just it was, it was awesome, it was we were there for a few hours, like it was great, but at the very end well, the end for me everybody went out after this together. But anyway, the end for me it was kind of fucking crazy and I have decided that from now on, unfortunately, if I ever do any kind of event like this again, that I need to hire a security guard or a team of security guards, because it was actually really quite scary what happened. But I was just sitting there having a great time on the outdoor area.
Speaker 1:I was sitting there with one of my fans from the show and we were just having a conversation and all of a sudden this fucking weird ass guy walked in, immediately, sat down right across from me and there was nobody else out there and he stared at me. And I mean, when I might, when I say stared at me, this guy would not take his eyes off of me and he looked like he wanted to rape and kill me. It was the most uncomfortable stare. I immediately was like what the fuck is up with this guy? I'm looking over and I'm looking. I'm what the fuck? I was wearing a dress and he was like staring at my crotch and it was so scary for me. I was just like I said to the guy I was talking to. I said I need to go inside because this guy's making me really uncomfortable.
Speaker 1:And as soon as I went and sat inside and I started talking to the other people from my group, I said this guy outside is really weird. He's staring at me strange and making me feel very uncomfortable. And they were like what, what? And then, as I was saying that, this creepy stalker dude from outside, we started looking in the window, looking for me, looking, trying to find where I went, and that's when I was like really started to panic. I'm like, oh my god, who is this fucking creep and why is he here and why is he like locked in on me, like I felt like prey. It was so fucking scary.
Speaker 1:Anyway, all of the people who I was with my group of fans were so amazing because they immediately were like okay, we'll take care of this. We're going to go and talk to this guy and ask him to leave, and so they did that and eventually he did leave. But then he came back and was like following me with his eyes all around the whole venue and I was so fucking freaked out because I was like, all right, this guy's a full-on stalker. Like this guy wants to kill me. I was so fucking scared, I was like shaking. I don't know. For a lot of you guys listening, because it's mostly guys listening to this podcast you probably don't know what this feels like. But for any of the ladies who probably don't know what this feels like but for any of the ladies who are listening, you know what this feels like when you get really scared by a man who's fucking crazy and wants to kill you or acts like he wants to kill you. This is absolutely terrifying. And Iuck, who took this guy out of the building down around the corner and basically like turned the guy around so that he could not see me as I ran out of there and into an Uber to get the fuck out. So thank you to Sergio for helping me escape a very awful situation and from now on I'm absolutely going to have an entourage of security team, unfortunately, so that part sucked, but otherwise everything was incredible.
Speaker 1:After that I did go to Paris. Paris is outstandingly, unbelievably, romantically beautiful. I have never seen so many beautiful buildings in my life, but a weird vibe and just like mobbed by tourists. So I don't know. It was a cool place to go and visit once, but I'm not sure I want to go back. But London and Dublin were fucking amazing. I would absolutely love to go back and explore some more amazing. I would absolutely love to go back and explore some more. So that was. That's the update regarding the crazy ass fucking stalker and the amazing, really great meet and greats that I went to. So I'm slowly recovering from jet lag and I'm back in the swing of things. So that's it for.
Speaker 1:Oh wait, there is one more announcement. Actually, um, becca and Drew they were on the show about a month ago and shared their super hot stories of their marriage, their cuckolding marriage. Okay, it was so hot, like insanely hot, so hot indeed, that YouTube even though I only published the audio version of that episode, I didn't even publish the video one yet and they took it down and they put a strike on my account and warning. They were like that you can't do that. Like you know, you're in trouble. And so anybody listening to this right now if you are like, well, what episode? If you listen to my show on YouTube, you know what episode are you talking about. It's because it got taken down, so listen to it on Spotify or Apple. It's there. And, anyway, becca and Drew are going to join myself and Doc Chocolate for the next Pillow Talk event, which is a live event and it's free to attend, and if you want to check it out, the link is in the show notes. It's going to be Friday, May 16th, at 12 pm Pacific that's 3 pm Eastern and it is live. So you got to catch it live. But, yeah, they're going to be there. So if you have some questions or comments about them or their marriage or the show that they did, make sure that you join us for that pillow talk on May 16th. Okay, that's it for announcements and news and all that good stuff. Let's jump into the episode right after this quick break.
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Speaker 2:Say hello to all the listeners, emma Hi everyone Very excited to be here and hoping I can share some insights with you. Great, let's see what happens.
Speaker 1:Okay, so we came across each other online and I am thrilled to have you share your story, because the beginning part is somewhat similar to like how I was introduced to cuckolding. I met my first cuck boyfriend on Tinder of all places, and I understand that that's where you met your husband as well, so tell us about how that all happened?
Speaker 2:Yes, so we did meet on Tinder. We did share some history together, so we were not completely unknowns to each other, so that may have helped a little bit. But yes, we did meet on Tinder. We had a, had a great first date, um, and actually quite quickly after the first date, the first first indications uh came from him that he actually might be into uh, cuckolding a little bit. And, um, he asked me if the term was term was something I was familiar with. And surprise, surprise, I was actually quite excited myself to hear that. So that's how we did start.
Speaker 1:So how soon did he bring it up? And how like? How is that how he said it? Like, oh, have you heard of cuckolding? Do you know what that is?
Speaker 2:Well, that was. You know, that came after a bit of discussion about you know, preferences and stuff like that, but we were quite comfortable with each other from the very beginning. So, okay, it was actually quite quick and it felt it resonated with me quite well. Um, my history had been such that I was always in the kinds of slightly very traditional relationships and and did not have a lot of this. This freedom or like open relationships were never discussed or sexuality was not very out there.
Speaker 1:So it was something that was very very interesting to me to hear that he had these ideas. Okay, and so you didn't know that this kind of relationship existed before that?
Speaker 2:I, I kind of did, but so the term was, was, was familiar to me, but I did do mention. Do mention that I did have to Google it first, just to make sure that I was really. You know, I had the right idea, which I did. But yes, that's how it actually started.
Speaker 1:Oh no, you Googled it. Oh God, I could just imagine what showed up.
Speaker 2:But he knows it, and I was just making sure that I was making a fool out of myself. So I didn't want to say yes to something that I was thinking to be, mistakenly, something completely different. So I wanted to make sure that that was actually what I thought it was and, yes, I was correct.
Speaker 1:Okay. So he brought up the word, you Googled it and you were like okay, but you said before this like open relationships and sexuality was just like. It was just not like a thing in relationships before that. So how come? You were open to it. How come you were not one of those many women who were like, oh hell, no, that sounds weird.
Speaker 2:Well, I have always been very sexual myself and I've been very interested in all sorts of things throughout my life, from a very young age, and so I always did feel a little bit like something or a big part of me was invisible when I was in these very, very normal, very vanilla relationships where you know, you don't talk about sex and it happens once a week, right On a Saturday with, you know, with the lights out. So for me it was. I was that kind of person always and I was actually even during my previous relationship I was thinking that you know, maybe I want an open relationship, maybe that's something I want. I have always been maybe not the best girlfriend in in the general sense of the term, so I have been been the asshole at times. You know some history of of being unfaithful and I didn't quite realize that maybe that was just me acting out, that any the normal way of being was necessarily not for me. Yeah, but I just didn't know how to, how to think about that, because when you grow up in a, in a circle but that's very, quite conservative, quite, you know, traditional you're not supposed to be that woman.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's. It's hard to give yourself the permission to even think about that? That you know. Could you're not supposed to be that woman? Yeah, it's, it's hard to give yourself the permission to even think about that. That you know. Could I, yeah, maybe live this life, um? So yes, and I'm not proud of those years, but I am proud of the person I am today, that I actually dare to say yes to this, and now I feel like I'm, you know, know, being myself.
Speaker 1:Yes, oh my God, I can relate so much. I cheated on every boyfriend there ever was and I couldn't help it. I was just like that. I just I don't know. I went out. I was left feeling like what's wrong with me, why can't I, why can't I do what I need to do, you know? And like I just, oh my God. So I was the same way when I felt, when I found cuckolding, I was like, oh, this is perfect for me, yes, and and that's pretty much how I felt.
Speaker 2:So I was like, hey, this is perfect for me, yeah, okay. So I don't think I was that person that would have wanted just an open relationship to both of us. I think I needed there to be something more to it, like more, something more sexual. I always wanted to commit to one person. I didn't necessarily want the whole, you know, let's just be open, both of us to dating whoever we want. Yeah, not so much to dating. More about the sex and that side of things. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So okay, and then how did it happen, or how did it evolve from there? So he told you about it. You were open-minded to it and you were like, okay, I'm willing to give this a try. Was it just a talking about it, sharing fantasies and then eventually trying something?
Speaker 2:Yes, so we started out by just talking about it quite a bit. Um, obviously, talking about, like, our previous relationships, previous experiences, was a big part of it. Um, so, not so much fantasizing about what would happen in the future, but just for me to be able to share what I've done before was a huge thing. Um, because normally that's not the type of thing that guys necessarily want to listen or hear if, if they've been you know wild, wilder or you know more than they can handle. But we spoke about that quite a bit.
Speaker 2:Obviously, it took a while. I was scared as well. It was not normal for me to be very in love, very in the, you know, first stages of dating and you know, you're all about that. One person then thinking you know, can I actually have sex with another person? Yeah, or that, you know, if I do it, will I, if he's not ready for it, will this destroy everything that we have? Like, even if he brought it up, what if he's not ready for it? So if after the first experience, he's like, well, no, this doesn't feel good, I actually want to break up with you, that was like my worst fear.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Very, very legitimate fears, by the way, because, let's face it, this is a very emotional. This can be very emotionally taxing for the, for everyone involved, but especially for him, but especially for him.
Speaker 2:So and I think, as we didn't have like the background of you know, you know, 10 years married, you know kids, where you kind of might know already that well, even just for the kids he wouldn't leave Right. But we were just like you know, freshly dating and very, you know, old Tyle, in that sense that you know it was all very new and both of our insecurities came up, and so it was, it was a fear, but yeah, yeah, yeah so, um, eventually you guys decided to that you wanted to do this, and what was like the first kind of step towards that?
Speaker 2:um, well, we did. Well, the first step was that we did speak about it a lot and we actually even drafted like this, this paper of like what we promised to do if we go further with this, so that you know, we promised to, you know, talk about things, and and so we kind of laid it out that you know what was, what would be the rules, what would would you know how we?
Speaker 2:would promise to to treat each other how we would promise to you know, so that we were really prepared to you know to actually do it. And then I went on Tinder that was what we figured out was the like the easiest way of doing it. There's not a lot of like very specific dating apps for this kind of thing. Um, yeah, and, and that would have been even, I think, more daunting, because then that would have usually they're like very fetish or kink oriented. So we didn't want to do that, so I just went on tinder and swiped away for a little while and then we found someone that seemed like a good one, and that's how I started.
Speaker 1:I had this very similar to what I did too. I had and I had pretty good success with Tinder. I found that, like once I just flat out explained you know, I'm just looking for friends with benefits, I'm with I. You know, I'm just looking for friends with benefits, I'm with I. You know, I'm in a relationship. Guys were like okay, cool, like yeah yeah, the same here.
Speaker 2:So I did not pretend I was single, um, but no, um, so it was. But we didn't mention the word cuckolding necessarily in the beginning, because that's still, I think it kind of comes with a stigma of a sort that you know, some guys might just take it the wrong way. Yeah, because even in our case it was me just going on a date with the guy and then we didn't even really talk about it much afterwards, I mean, or that was not the point point of it, so it wasn't like, you know, sharing every detail of him to my husband or my current husband. So, um, we didn't mention that, but he knew that I was, I was in a relationship and he was totally, or that he knew that my husband was completely fine with it and, um, yeah, I knew that I was mainly just, you know, looking for for sex or friendship benefits instead of like anything more serious.
Speaker 1:So so you were looking for the guys um and yeah, and was your husband involved at like, helping you choose these guys or no?
Speaker 2:Not really. No, I mean he was there as an emotional support, but like he didn't have any any say, or he didn't want to have any say as to, you know, who would be okay, who would not be okay, for example. So, and there was quite, a quite a long period when he didn't really even want to like know what they, what the guys looked like, or or too many details about them. I think he wanted me to have like this kind of space where, where I could make my own decisions and he didn't want to, you know, have an effect on who would I, you know, pick or Really, oh, that's, that's great.
Speaker 1:That's not typical. Usually cucks are like little mini Steven Spielbergs. They want to be all up in the script. They want to be all up in the choosing the who's going to be involved and what they look like and sound like and how big their dick is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but in the beginning we, we, we didn't have that at all. I mean, we don't either now. But now it nowadays, I mean he has met, met those people. You know they've shook hands and you know they've, you know, said hi to each other. So it's a bit different. But uh, in the beginning he, he wanted to kind of stay out of it for me, which was was, I think, very nice, because it didn't it also didn't put me under any pressure to to choose guys that were, you know, more his type than mine, for example, or Right, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I could imagine that that makes it feel less performative for the fantasy and more doing it for your own pleasure and that's big. So for anybody listening, that is big. For women, I think that's that's a lot. I mean, there are women out there who are just going to be like yes, I really want, I don't want to have to find these guys. Yes, you can do that, like, offload those tasks, delegate those tasks to your husband and he could do it for you and whatever. I get that. But if you want to have more say and more ability to choose, then that's amazing. That's awesome. There can be a big benefit to that. So what happened when you okay, you found a guy on Tinder, you really liked him and then you made plans to hook up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, so basically yes. So it was always in the in the books that you know, if everything goes well, we will end up having sex, um, but it was. It was the first time for him as well, so, despite him kind of always knowing that this is his thing, so from an early, early age he didn't know that this was something that he thought about a lot and, um, he really wanted, wanted this, and, but it was still the first time that you know in an adult relationship that he's done this. So it was. It was scary, um, and it was actually quite. For me, it was, in the end, quite easy.
Speaker 2:I realized while I was on that date that I can do this and that I am exactly what I thought I would be, so quite detached from sex and a good wife so that I can just enjoy it, have fun, and it doesn't destroy my feelings or cause any issues if I'm very much in love, like I was and I still am. But for him it was a slightly different experience. So it was different than he expected. It wasn't like a constant hard on and being super aroused when I was on the date. It was actually quite the opposite. He was quite scared, quite not there the whole thing. You know the way that we are doing it, that he doesn't have to be aroused whenever I see a guy, or it's not about him. You know being turned on when I'm on a date, but it's more about me enjoying myself and he enjoys the pleasure that I get to do what I want and then so it doesn't have to be a constant turn on when things are happening.
Speaker 1:Yes, Okay, I love this and I this is why we need more of the female perspective out there, because I love a few things about what you said. The first where you said you know, for me this was about, um, detaching myself from sex, and you know, and that is key, absolutely, especially in the beginning for women who are nervous about doing this if you're going to be sleeping with someone other than the guy who you're in love with, this is about just exploring someone else's body and seeking sexual pleasure from that together and that's it. Like that's a compartment. You can compartmentalize these things in your life. You do not have to be falling in love with this dude just because he put his dick in your pussy. So, no strings attached, friend with benefits, literally that's it, or even just a dude with benefits, that's all it needs to be, or doesn't have to be any more complicated than that.
Speaker 1:But I also love what you said about your husband. Okay, so he was not there. Was that your choice to not have him there to watch, or did he not want to be?
Speaker 2:Both of ours. So he actually, to this day, he's only seen me once with a guy. Yeah, and we've been pretty active throughout these you know five, six years that we've been together, but he actually enjoys that I just get to do my thing alone. Interesting Now, at least. I mean it's not too long ago since he had his first time where he was actually there present. But I don't he, he quite does not enjoy the fact that you know he would just be there or he. He knows that it might affect me, it might affect the other guy. Yeah, yeah, it's not a performance for him, it's about us having fun, yeah, and it's. But he still thinks that it's. It's our sex, it's almost it's our date as well when I'm out. So he feels connected to, to what I'm doing, but, uh, he doesn't necessarily want to be there or doesn't think that he has to be there.
Speaker 1:This is so fascinating. I feel like for him, it must be more about compersion, about he's just, he's really fulfilled and satisfied and enjoying the process, knowing that you are receiving pleasure from this other person Right. And more about that and less about his own fantasy, which is just so fascinating to me. I think that's, that's awesome.
Speaker 1:But the fact that he said you said that this was very, very uncomfortable for him, that first time, that this was not so much about him getting off, as it was for him to almost lean into that discomfort in that moment which I've heard this so many times, and this is one thing you'll see from online and hear from other people is that reality versus fantasy is so different when it comes to this whole cuckolding thing. You watch porn. There's the script, there's the oh my God, it's so hot and I'm wanking off and it's just the best orgasm of my life and it's. I've dreamed about this all you know. All my life I'm wanting to watch my woman cuck me or whatever. Reality is like a whole bunch different.
Speaker 1:Like it is I mean, guys say that they're almost like I feel like they're going to throw up, like it is so uncomfortable and this is why I talked about in the beginning of this conversation very real concerns around. Will this damage my relationship? Because this is not easy for the guy to go through. This is something that when he does, he's either going to be able to get through it or he's just going to freak out and be like I cannot fucking do this Like this is the worst thing ever. Whatever. It's not easy for him no, definitely not. But and I love the fact that you talked about like this is not about him getting a boner every time you're with somebody else or you know, talking about being with somebody else that this is more than that, which is great, but I think it's like a fascinating that he's not there, that he went through it, that he it was very uncomfortable, but that he still loved it.
Speaker 1:So what happened afterwards? When you were, after you were with this guy? Was there any kind of like aftercare you did with your cug? Like when you came home and you told him about it? Was there some bonding that happened there?
Speaker 2:Well, yes, I mean, we, we did see each other very, very quickly after it had happened, um but, um, but, and and funny thing you say that that it was definitely a an experience for him, where he he did say after it that I'm not sure if this is, you know, the right thing for me, if I, if I actually really want this. Luckily enough, it did not make me feel like I had just damaged our relationship, so it was more like, you know, he's not sure if this cuckolding thing is for him, but we were still fine, which was lovely, so that I didn't have to, you know, go through the panic of like have I? Have I destroyed this by, by doing, because it's hard to be the active person, it's hard to be the one that goes through with it, does something, and then, you know, someone has a of heart with what you did. But quite quickly we did talk about it. If I remember correctly, it wasn't like we had any sort of reclaimed sex and we still don't.
Speaker 2:Afterwards, it was more like talking, more like comforting him and also, I guess, in a way, me as well as well, that you know, it was pretty big for both of us, um, but then it wasn't too long after that that, you know, it sort of came back to our into our conversations again and again and it was quite clear that you know, maybe it was the after, you know, the first shock, and then that this was maybe here to stay, and it turns out it was so yeah, it's so interesting how that happens because I've heard that too where it's such an unpleasant experience that that's the knee-jerk reaction is like, oh, I don't think that this is something I want to do again.
Speaker 1:But then funny enough, yes, funny enough, he wants to do it again. It's almost like you. Just, he just got like slapped in the face by the cuckolding fantasy and and didn't like it getting slapped, but then all of a sudden realized actually that was kind of fun, like I wanted that again. But anyway, I I think that's fantastic that you guys did have that kind of like um talk through it afterwards and then you worked through it and and that he was explicit about the fact that your relationship was okay, regardless, your relationship was okay, cause I think that that you're right, like as a woman going through that, being the one who's taking the action, who's doing the thing, that is such a big risk that you take that you don't want to hurt your partner, you don't want to hurt your relationship, you don't want to be the one who causes harm. Yeah, that's not fun for anybody.
Speaker 2:Definitely not, and it would have been devastating if it had ended, so that you know he would. He was like well, I don't, I don't think I can see you the same way again ever, or that we have to break up or something it would have you know.
Speaker 1:It would have been devastating yeah, my first cuck boyfriend, the one I met on tinder, the one who wanted this, his whole fucking adult life, like absolutely desired this to no end um, he was confusing as fuck because he would like, want this, we would do it. And then he would pull away and he'd be like like just ghosting, and like I was like what is going on? All these like mixed signals and stuff. It took me forever to realize that he was going through that like self-hatred afterwards of I can't believe, I'm into this, I don't want to do this, like, and then, oh, I'm thinking about it again, I want it, I want to do this again, nevermind what I said. Like fuck, so confusing. Like fuck off with that shit.
Speaker 2:I'm glad that didn't happen. Yeah, it's not easy for them.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's really not yeah.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't be able to be on his side of the his side of the relationship. So you know.
Speaker 1:I can say I can say that, that I I wouldn't, you know, I wouldn't want that yeah, I, I, I, I truly love and admire cucks so much for having that mental strength to be able to go through that and loving it at the same time and it's just like wow. But there is that potential for damage. There is that to to the, to the cuckoldress, to the cuck, to the relationship. So I don't want to downplay that. But, yeah, all right, where did it go from there? So, obviously, things kind of worked out well and you guys, eventually, you know you were madly in love. You decided to get married. Like what was all going on during that time?
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, that was just the well. The first time was, I guess, the stepping stone and then during the first year, almost it was very, very active life. I would say it was also me figuring out what I like in terms of this cuckolding relationship, what kind of guys I like, if I can really do this, you know, with more and more people, for example, or if I'm, you know, convincing myself as well that I'm not cheating myself or I'm not lying to myself that I can do this. Yes, so it was quite an active life we ended up doing.
Speaker 2:I had my first threesome um quite quickly during the first year with two guys. Um. I had my first interracial um foursome during the first year. Um, I had a lot of crazy things happen during the first year that you would not. You know you have a hard time. You know comprehending if you're, if you're, if you're maybe from like my circle of friends or somewhere from the kind of the normal, you know downplaying it kind of couple that we did quite a bit of weird things, but it was a very exciting first year and then some.
Speaker 1:Wow, so an interracialial foursome. Does that mean you had like four or three black guys?
Speaker 2:yes, oh, wow, and and and uh. Maybe a funny story to that was that they were very, they were the big kind and um. Actually what happened was that I did have um two you know, I had sex with two of them at the same time that time, and then actually my boyfriend at the time, my husband, asked if that happened and he asked me straight after I came home and I could just tell that he was such in a distressed state that I actually lied to him that no, that didn't happen. But then a few months after, I confessed that yes, it did, but I that didn't happen. But then, um a few months after, I confessed that yes, it did, but I just didn't think he could handle it, handle it, but I would you know, I would have said yes to that Um, but yes, so I mean, I haven't been perfect at this either. So I do admit that I have come up with some, some white lies at times, but it was fine in the end.
Speaker 1:So I'm sure he was turned on by it anyway. Yes, yes, he was. Yes, Well, if your pussy can handle both those dicks, then your cuck can handle listening to the story.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, it was fine.
Speaker 1:So these are all guys you found on Tinder, no, so?
Speaker 2:we found them here and there. Let's put it that way.
Speaker 1:But yes, so did you. Did that kind of spark a preference for black guys?
Speaker 2:It did. I'll have to also say that the first one that I was with was did fit that picture as well, but, um, yes, I think experience kind of dragged me there, even though it's not like um. So where I live it's it's not like, you know, half the population is black, so it's it's kind of hard to to find, yeah, men like that, um, but uh, we just went through some experiences, ended up in in a few parties. They're actually, you know, becoming more and more popular as well, and, um, I just kind of realized that the vibe is also quite different.
Speaker 2:Yes, they have just this very positive energy, very, you know, it's not so much about, you know, for them to you know that they're, you know, proud of themselves because they get to be with a, be with a woman, but it's more like just just shared joy and it's so. It's so much more about, you know, just having fun, not really being so bothered about the fact that I have a boyfriend or getting coffee about it, that they're somehow somehow better than my boyfriend because I want to be with them instead. But it's just this vibe that you know, they're quite, very laid back, very and very good lovers, I have to say as well. It's just like they're just a bit more than you know, the usual suspects.
Speaker 1:So yeah, they're very hard to come by here where I live too in Canada like it's just, there's just not a lot of them. But I yeah, it's funny how that happens because, like I I it was my first cuck boyfriend that that suggested I seek out black men and I was just I had had one or two really good experiences with black men before that. So I was just like, oh yeah, like I had, it was good. So I was like, all right, sure, yeah, great idea. And I was not exclusively looking for black men, um, after that, but it just ended up being like the the ones not all of them, but some of most of the ones that I did, um, find and I had really great experiences with. And you're right, they just go with the flow, chill, kind of like, yeah, we're good, kind of attitude, and it was just like, so it's such a great experience for all around that I just ended up just seeking out those guys.
Speaker 2:Pretty much the same for me. It was just seeking out those guys. Pretty much the same for me. It was just it ended up being, yes, just a preference, also just because of the way they were. So it was very, no drama, very, very laid back, you know. You know you didn't have to think if you're being too slutty or you know, or anything. It was just two people enjoying each other and yeah, and actually you know being able to admit it, that you can be like this and just have fun, and yeah, and actually you know being able to admit it that you can be like this and just have fun, and yeah, and we both really enjoy it and yes, did your husband have, uh like fantasies about interracial cuckolding stuff?
Speaker 2:not in that sense. So he did, didn't know that. You know, for example, where we found these, these, um, these men, that this was a thing also in here and that it would be possible to have that sort of experience if I wanted to. Okay, but it was the same for me. So I have, you know, throughout my life I have been, you know, drawn and drawn to, you know, like BBC porn, been drawn to, you know, like BBC porn, but I didn't really think ever that that was for me or that it would be like reality, for example, for me, or that, you know, yeah, possible in any way. So I didn't really have that sort of preference. I mean, yes, but it was always that I found it through experience and not some predetermined you know fetish that, yeahish, that it must be this way, but no, I mean, if they weren't as great as I experienced them to be, I wouldn't have ended up this way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's a reason for it. Yeah, Okay and then. So when you guys were making plans to get married and stuff like that, did you ever think about any kind of cuckolding scenarios, fantasies around that?
Speaker 2:Well, yes, very, very funny for you to ask that, because when I first met my boyfriend, or now husband, one of the first resources that I did actually find very helpful was your podcast, so I listened to that since I've maybe, well, whenever it started it was definitely the early years and I listened to that. There were quite a few good episodes about just like how great Kirk husbands are, but you also shared quite a bit of your experiences, and you had this. I remember you speaking about this like wedding night fantasy, where it was actually a gangbang with a bunch of black guys, and it so turned out to be that I had a few lovers when I got married and we were actually thinking about that maybe I would have had sex with one of those guys instead during our wedding night. And we even asked one of the guys that I knew and he actually said, yes, but a few things got in the way, but so we never went through with that, but we were actually very serious about doing something wild like that for our wedding night.
Speaker 1:So I love that so much. Yes, I have spoken about that over the years. Having a BBC gang bang on my wedding night is my biggest fantasy that I've always had. Who knows if it'll ever happen. But, um, you know what's so funny? Uh, one of the guys from my helpful cuck supporter tier was telling me, I think with this week or last week he week he said, yeah, so blackcom has a new cuckolding porn website. It's just for cuck porn and it's called wifeycom. And I was like okay, wifey. And then he said he's like, yeah, there's. I think. He said something like there's lots of videos on there with the he's seeing more and more videos of the wedding night BBC gangbang kind of theme going on. I was like I wonder if I've influenced this, because I've talked about this for like a decade now. I wonder if there's a whole bunch of people all over the world who are thinking about this specific fantasy and now they're consuming all of this wedding night BBC porn.
Speaker 2:But I mean that didn't happen. But as it turns out, we actually did start a pussy free relationship with my husband from our wedding day, and what did happen was that I ended up having sex with a black guy as the last person before I got married, and then with the same guy also after I got married. So so he he was still the first one that I actually had intercourse with after I got married.
Speaker 1:So I love that. That is so hot. Um and what. And so you guys decided that, as of your marriage, your wedding day, that he would no longer get sex. So you guys had sex on your wedding night and that was it after that.
Speaker 2:I know we actually didn't have sex on our wedding night, or we did, but it was strap on and um all sorts of other sex, but not not him right um having sex with me in the traditional way.
Speaker 1:So you pegged him on your wedding night? Yes, I did and we had.
Speaker 2:We had some experiences with with like um trying a pussy free relationship before that um, so we did have like a sexist september or something like that that we kind of like um introduced to into our relationship at very in the very beginning. But then, as as time went on, we realized that we were more and more inclined that way that, um, he he would still get like because he was never that um that great of a lover himself and he would always feel quite a big pressure, yeah, in relation to intercourse and like being able to satisfy me in the traditional way. And then then we realized that well, maybe starting from our wedding would be like a you know a big enough date to start it. And then now it's been now it's been more than two years and, um, we're still very, very happy with that choice.
Speaker 1:So so you guys still have a sex life together. It's just that your sex life looks different than most people think is the default for sex, which is PIV sex. So all you've done is like cut out the PIV sex right and but you're still having all sorts of other fun fulfilling, satisfying sexual pleasure.
Speaker 2:Yes, and that was. That's definitely what we both want. So, you know, none of us want, you know, the whole like that. There's nothing sexual between us, quite the contrary. I mean, we are very drawn to each other in that way and we want to keep our relationship that way, that we are very, very sexual beings and we, we love to go to go into parties and love experiencing you know all sorts of things, but we just decided to cut cut out the uh, the PIV sex.
Speaker 1:And how has that been for you? I do you feel like you're missing out on anything with your husband?
Speaker 2:No, Okay, no, it's actually been. It's been very great to us, I mean, and I it's, it's a philosophical sense as well to both of us that it's it's more like you know, I don't have to, you know, think about. Also also, you know, giving sex to him, yeah, with these other people, and it's just kind of, and for him as well, it's about him not having to worry about you know, disappointing me when we have have sex in, you know, in the normal sense of the word, and it's just a very how to explain it. It's a philosophical way to live, it way of living as well.
Speaker 1:So Two of the podcasts that I listened to on the regular Dr Justin Lee Miller's sex and psychology and Dan Savage's Savage Lovecast and I've noticed the theme that people need to like expand the script or change the script when it comes to sex, because PIV sex for women is generally not that pleasurable for us as it is for men, and so I've just heard a lot about like couples. Really, I mean, it would be great to like have a month where you don't have PIV sex and instead, as a couple, you expand your possibilities of trying all of these other things, and how beneficial that would be for couples, and I'm like listening to this going. Yes, we absolutely need to do that, Because if there's one thing about cuddling that I have learned is that this is a great expansion of your sex life, and for some people, it does include actually cutting down or decreasing the PIV sex and having all of this other fun, whether it be some kinky stuff like pegging or whatever, or just learning how to eat pussy like a champion or enjoying that, reconnecting sex afterwards or whatever Lots of other things other than just put your dick in me and you know in five minutes you're going to have an orgasm and I won't that kind of thing and so, like I love hearing about this and there's but I should say there's also this very like common misconception that cucks don't have sex with their wife and that in most cuckolding relationships there's this very hard and fast rule of no PIV. She does not want to have sex with him, she has no interest in that, and blah, blah, blah and he's just basically left out of the sexual equation. And that's not true.
Speaker 1:I would say definitely the most common situation with cuckolding couples out there is that they still have a very healthy, robust, PIV sex life together and for anybody listening doesn't know what PIV means penis and vagina, that's the like typical default sex thing, whatever. But but for couples who do engage in this kind of like sexual denial PIV sexual denial so many times he's not left out of the sexual equation that this means it's actually lots of fun for him in many different ways and I love and adore that you guys have gone there and done that and that it's benefited in your relationship, right?
Speaker 2:Yes, yes definitely, and I mean for him example, for example, he, he, he comes very quickly. So if we do have, or if we had had, sex, you know sometimes time that it was less than a minute and he was ready to come, or something like that at the end where we decided to give up on PIViv sex, you know, I didn't even have time to come myself, even going, yeah, quite quick, quick, normally to to have an orgasm and quite easy to do so. But I didn't have, you know, time for it and, um, it was just it. It took away a lot of the noise in in the sexy. It kind of opened up both of our eyes to you know what else is there for us and and that we weren't always so focused on, on just that.
Speaker 2:And I mean I, I'm the one you know sort of to blame there as well that I grew up in a society where I used to think that way as well. Like, you know, if I went without a week, you know, without having like the normal penetrative sex, I thought that you know what's wrong with me, you know why doesn't he want me, for example? Like it was a measure of, you know, a successful sex life, right, and you know I was happy to you know kind of, you know, reintroduce that whole world, that you know what if it's not about you know the penetration itself, but what if it's, you know everything else, and that it doesn't have to be so. You know intercourse focused.
Speaker 1:Yes, Uh, yes, I love this. Um, have there been any instances where he's like, oh, I really want to have PIB sex with you tonight and you were like no not really.
Speaker 2:I mean some, but they they're they haven't been, you know, a serious at all. I would say so just like you know, kind of like you know a very, very small instance, but we both know that that wasn't a very serious moment of like. Should we reconsider this, this choice that we've made? So, no, not at all. Actually, I've been very, very, very proud of him that it hasn't been about me having to deny him because I'm I'm not that kind of a. I've been very, very, very proud of him that it hasn't been about me having to deny him because I'm not that kind of a person.
Speaker 2:I'm not like a very you know dominatrix. You know I enjoy denying him things. You know being ruthless type of person. Quite the contrary. I'm like, if I see you that you're actually really struggling, then I want to bring it up and you know be like are you OK? Like, are you really fine? I, I want to bring it up and you know be like are you okay? Like, are you really fine? Do you want to continue this or are you suffering? So I'm very proud of him that it hasn't been like a lot of begging or a lot of like. You know, I want you to say no to me and I want you to you know, be rough with me, that you know that hasn't entered the equation, so I'm very proud him does he like do you guys do chastity at all?
Speaker 2:um, a little bit. We're, we're getting there. So he has a, he has a chastity belt and and we've, we've, uh, started to experiment with it so that, um, he would be, but, but that is a desire for both of us, that we would like to introduce that more and more for our relationship, and he does, he does enjoy it, and we found a cage that fits in them. So, yes, it's just about you know, having having the uh, the guts to actually try it out a bit more. Yes, you know, to go through a few hours in the public, for example, or at home for a full, you know, a whole day or something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Are there any other things, fantasies, desires that you are, that you would like to have realized in the next little while or a few years? Or is there, like a bucket list, that you have going on?
Speaker 2:We do have, you know, a kind of a bucket list. It's it's more about, you know, things that we have talked about, maybe not so much like the, the ultimate things that we want to do, but you know, we've talked about quite a bit because he's um, a little bit of like um by, by, curious, within the cuckolding um aspect, so not not really by, but enjoys the idea of like, being submissive to a, to a better man, for example. So we have thought about, you know what, if I saw him with another guy, like, yeah, see me with another guy. So maybe that's something that we want to want to do, that I see him being a little, you know, a little sissy to a proper guy, and things like that. But, yes, how do you feel about that? Very excited, very excited. I would be thrilled, I would be easily turned on by that and, yes, I know that it would be hot to see that.
Speaker 1:Wow, and you said so. He's watched you with a black guy once, yes, once, yes, and that was at a sex club or something.
Speaker 2:Yes, it was a party. It was a BBC, cuckolding BBC type of party, so mainly hot wives and black men, which was actually a very refreshing experience as well to see that in real life as a, as a, you know, publicly announced party. Yes, which which made me feel as as if, you know, the black guys also want it, and it was organized by this um, by this group of black men, so it made me feel like I'm not doing anything wrong here by wanting this sort of interaction myself either. That it's it's actually something that they want as well. Yeah, um, that it doesn't, because I mean, these things do come with a bit of a you know, is this really right? Or, yes, you know, should this be, you know?
Speaker 1:do you still struggle with that like the moral dilemma?
Speaker 2:not so much anymore, not so much anymore. After I've seen so much of it, you know, unfolding, you know, in front of my own, it's not that much of an issue anymore. It was in the beginning because I, you know, it was a bit of a you know, are we, you know, being rude or insensitive or whatever?
Speaker 1:At that party when your husband was watching you.
Speaker 2:Was that weird, like was it odd watching you Was that weird, like, was it odd.
Speaker 2:It was scary at first, not necessarily scary, but it was, it was.
Speaker 2:It was nerve wracking, um, but even that, that quite went the way I expected. So it wasn't like you know him jerking off in a corner in a cock chair of a hotel room, but it was. It was more more of him, just you know, watching and being, quite, you know, unbothered in a cock chair of a hotel room, but it was, it was more more of him, just you know, watching and being quite, you know, unbothered in a good way, I guess you know, just taking it all in. But you know, without any pressure on him either, that he should be a certain way. Yeah, and I didn't expect him to be a certain way when he was watching me. So I didn't, you know, feel let down when he wasn't jerking off when he was watching that it felt quite natural that it happened the way it did, that it is the first time you're seeing your, you know your beloved partner with anyone that you know it might be. You know you might be closer to throwing up than you know.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, no matter how much you've heard about it or you know seeing some videos at times, but it might still be pretty, pretty, pretty, a big thing.
Speaker 1:So at that party were you able to meet other couples and talk to other people in the same lifestyle?
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, we did, and that was very eyeopening as well, cause we don't we don't really have a community where know where we're from. So, yeah, it was. It was very nice to be actually to be able to speak, to speak to other people that are like us and enjoy the same things and, you know, kind of get the feeling that this is, this is perfectly fine and this is normal and and um, yeah, it was, it was very nice um, I want to go back a little bit to that uh document that you guys made that had your rules, your boundaries, your limits, your expectations and all of that on there.
Speaker 1:Was that just something that you used in the beginning, or is that a document that you still use today?
Speaker 2:I would have to say we used it in the beginning and since then quite a bit of the rules have relaxed quite a bit, but with good intention and with us thinking about them. So it hasn't been just like we forgot about them, but it's just something that we have thought about that maybe this is not so important anymore anymore, that maybe we don't have to be this strict um anymore, but it's fine.
Speaker 1:So would you recommend that for other couples, or is there any other helpful advice that you would give to couples like that, um, who are thinking about doing this together?
Speaker 2:I would. I would really recommend it, not necessarily, you know, you don't have to come up with a document, but I think it was just. It just helped us to really really talk about things. So it's really considered so that we didn't, you know, just rush into something without actually thinking about it. So you know we had to, you know, voice our concerns, both of our concerns, and be very clear about, for example, you know we had to, you know, voice our concerns, both of our concerns, and be very clear about, for example, you know, protection very.
Speaker 2:You know minute issues, like you know. Should you always use protection? Should you always tell the other person when you're seeing someone, or you know what, if someone, when they've been horny, they've said that I'd like you, you know, you just sometimes tell me about it afterwards, but is that really what they're thinking, or would they still actually want to know beforehand, for example? Or just basically all the rules that you can think of or all the concerns that I would recommend it, because I don't think that you can be too careful when you're starting this thing.
Speaker 1:You can be too careful when you're starting this thing. Yeah, I know I've heard of one other couple who did a document together and they basically like came up with all of the scenarios that might happen in their mind, like what happens if this happens, and everything like that, and they came up with this document and they would each like go through each one of those scenarios or questions or issues that might come up and they would write it out like exactly this is what we would do, kind of like this is what I foresee, blah, blah, blah. And it helped them kind of feel prepared for going into this together. Okay, we've thought about that, we've talked about that. This is kind of how we anticipate it going if that happens, kind of thing, and I think that is really helpful for couples and so if anybody's listening who thinks that that might be a good idea?
Speaker 1:go for it, do it. Yes, okay, that's it for the show. We've run out of time. Emma, I am so grateful for you to come on the show and share your story. This has been such a great experience to be able to hear it from your perspective and the journey that you've been on, all of the things that you guys like to do together and how your relationship has evolved. It's been fascinating for me, so I have really enjoyed this. Thank you so much for coming onto the show. Thank you so much as well.
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