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Stealthy Cuckolding: Tasting Another Man in Your Wife!

• Venus / Karl • Season 5 • Episode 22

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Venus explores Karl's true story of stealthy cuckolding, where desire and trust grow inside an unspoken agreement. Karl shares how a subtle shift at home revealed a third person in their intimacy and why submission, control, and service turned jealousy into fuel.

• how a lifelong submissive frames pleasure as service
• foot fetish and reflexology as pathways to intimacy
• the “taste” clue and the moment of realization
• silent consent and why not naming it amplified arousal
• safety, STI risk, and the limits of trust-only dynamics
• power exchange without degradation or humiliation
• practical ways to play with tease, control, and ambiguity
• why mystery can coexist with care and reconnection

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SPEAKER_03:

Here's a look at what's coming up on the show.

SPEAKER_01:

On one occasion she came home and she wanted um she wanted me to give her oral sex straight away instead of the usual straight sex. And I thought that's fine. But probably that obviously. So that's that's all great. And I didn't notice anything in particular that first time. And then the second time, she came home, same thing again, and I thought, hmm, something slightly different here in terms of the way things normally the way things normally taste. And uh anyway, we just got busy and just carried on.

SPEAKER_03:

This is the Venus Cuckolders Podcast, a place to learn all things cuckolding for the curious, for the passionate, and for the sexually empowered woman who wants it all.

SPEAKER_04:

Let's go.

SPEAKER_03:

Welcome to the show. I'm your host, Venus. Wow, do I have a show for you today? Stealthy Cuckolding. When you taste another man inside your wife. Surprise! It's surprisingly common and um not gonna lie, it's very, very hot. So I think you're gonna like this story today. It's a really good one. We're also talking about foot fetishes as well. Um, but before we get into it, I have an important announcement. If you are listening to this show, or if you routinely listen to this show on YouTube, be prepared to never listen to it again on YouTube. I can't help it, but YouTube fucking hates my podcast, even though it's mainly just audio. They don't like it. I keep getting strikes on my account just for the show being the show. Even if I put an 18 plus rating on it, they don't give a fuck. I'm on my second strike, and that means if I get one more, I'm fucked. Right now, I'm not allowed to post anything on there for a certain period of time. And yeah, so fuck you, YouTube, and um probably not gonna be on there much longer. So if you're one of the 13,000 subscribers on YouTube, you should probably move on over to a different platform if you want to keep listening to this. You can always listen to it on my my site, VenusCuckledris.com. Or you can just listen to it online on Spotify, YouTube, any of those things. You don't have to have an account, you can just listen to it online, or you can download any podcast platform streaming app and do it that way. Um, so yeah, heads up, YouTube, about to get fucked up the ass, and not in a great way. Uh also, I have a great announcement coming up. I'm gonna be doing a pillow talk event, a live event in the Queen's Quarters community. Um, and guess who's gonna join me? I'm gonna have Zach and most likely I think his wife as well. Uh there they he was on the last episode that came out, the one that was about pussy-free cuckolding leads to BBC or pussy-free marriage leads to BBC cuckolding. You know the one. You know the one I'm talking about, the one that fucking I got a strike on YouTube about because it's too hot, apparently. Um, but anyway, he's gonna be joining me for a uh live chat in the Queen's Quarters community, and that is going to be December, what is it, December 8th. It's a Monday. It's gonna be um 10 a.m. Pacific time, that's 1 p.m. Eastern time. Join me on your lunch break or just tune in. It is gonna be live. We're gonna be talking about the episode, talking about his relationship um with his wife, and you'll have a chance to ask questions. It is live, so um, you'll have to join live uh to be able to catch it. However, it is recorded, not for the podcast, it's recorded for replays for anybody that missed it. But the only way you can watch the replay is it's a benefit of supporting the podcast. So there's two fan tiers. If you join either one of them, you get access to those replays uh for all of the pillow talk in the live chats in the Queen's Quarters community. So you can go to VenusCucklegis.com, click on the fan tiers um tab if you want to learn more, or the link is in the uh show notes for today's episode. Um oh yeah, one last thing. My show just got announced, uh, or just got announced that my show was nominated for an award through the Canadian Podcast Um Awards. And uh so I'm pretty happy about that. This is, I think, the third year in a row that I got um the show got nominated. And I know everybody's asking, how do I vote for you? Unfortunately, you can't. Unless you happen to have a Canadian podcast of your own, then you can. So Canadian podcasters are the ones that vote on other Canadian podcasts for these awards. So I am pretty much never gonna win because most of my audience is in the United States. Funny enough, although I'm up here in Canada, I think like 80% of my listeners are in the United States. So there's that. But anyway, it's fun to be nominated. So thank you to the Canadian Podcast Awards for this. I think it's really great that they are, you know, uh shining a light on Canadian podcasts. All right, that's it for announcements. Let's jump into this episode right after this quick message.

SPEAKER_00:

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SPEAKER_03:

Joining me on the show, I have Carl, and I'm really excited for this story. This is going to be a good one. Welcome to the show, Carl. Say hello to all of the listeners.

SPEAKER_01:

Thank you, Venus. Very nice to uh very nice to meet you. And uh good afternoon, good morning, good evening, everybody out there listening in.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, so I had put a message out on FetLife uh looking for guests for the show to talk about post-not regret. But I'm so glad Carl got a hold of me because this story, this story is so good, and I know you guys are gonna love it. Because I've heard similar themes uh with this over the years, and I'm not gonna lie, it's hot as fuck. But before we jump into the hot juicy part, let's start off by talking a little bit about uh your story. How did you get to where you are today, Carl? I understand that you have a lot of experience in the BDSM world, is that right?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I mean I've I've I've been involved probably since I was about late twenties, I guess. But um even prior to that, to be to be honest, I I had um I probably didn't know it at the time, but when I was early teens, I had a foot and shoe fetish. I didn't realise it was that at the time, I don't think, until much later on. Um but I've been involved, yeah, on and off in BDSM probably since yeah, late twenties I would guess. Um I've done some professional shoots video and still not many with a couple of um quite prominent dominatrixes. I did that for fun because I enjoyed doing it. Um not for the not for the sexual thrill. I actually enjoyed actually making those videos and doing the shoots. I just thought it was an awful lot of fun. I've covered quite a wide um spectrum in terms of pretty much everything that BDSM has to offer, but there were certain things that I was definitely not going down that route because I just didn't didn't do anything for me like it like with anybody else. Um and eventually it was kind of narrowed down into the more sensual side of BDSM, which to be fair has nearly always revolved around shoes and feet, worship, submission, that kind of thing. You know, usual, nothing, nothing unusual in in my preferences from that point of view, and it is actually probably the most popular, most prominent fetish, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, it is.

SPEAKER_01:

Particularly shoes and feet. And that's one of the things that actually on Fet Life I'm probably, dare I say, extremely well known for, if you look me up. Very well known for.

SPEAKER_03:

You're the foot guy.

SPEAKER_01:

That's me.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, it's so common, actually. My my first house boy was uh uh uh I call him foot boy because that was his um his fetish was uh around feet, but he had a whole bunch of other kinky things that he was into. He's nasty, but um he I mean in a great way. Um but he he um he loved feet. He and that and ever since then I absolutely like adore guys who like feet. I mean, it's just so so sexy that's a foot washer.

SPEAKER_01:

Most women don't realize what what they have. I know what you can actually do with them. I know, I know with the the the pleasure that could be given just with with hands alone is off the scale if you know how to manipulate them properly. And that's where the pleasure is. Yes, so my pleasure is for the giver.

SPEAKER_03:

My new house boy, he I had him do some foot worship the last time he came over uh to do some pussy worship. But anyway, um maybe he needs to take some some notes from you because like he was pretty good at the the foot worship foot worship, but he's so keen to learn.

SPEAKER_01:

Reflexology, that's where it's at.

SPEAKER_03:

It's really oh yeah. Well, okay.

SPEAKER_01:

He needs to need to do a reflexology course on it. He will send you through the roof in no time.

SPEAKER_03:

Really?

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, yeah, that's probably another conversation.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, I think so. Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

I could I could do a course.

SPEAKER_03:

You should. Yes, absolutely. That would be so great because yeah, there's a lot to learn when it comes to um foot worship. But yeah, damn, is it ever great? If there's any ladies listening out there and you're like kind of like, oh, I've never, I don't know what that's all about, the whole like having a guy worship your feet. It is fucking fantastic.

SPEAKER_01:

Like missed out, but some don't like them touched, you don't like it to go anywhere near them.

SPEAKER_03:

Which is weird. Like, I love going and getting pedicures on the regular, like that's my thing. So I would, I mean, maybe if I didn't go get pedicures, I'd be like, my I don't know, but my feet are so pampered that I'd be like, yeah, here's my pretty fucking toes.

SPEAKER_01:

You're gonna get the let's have a look.

SPEAKER_03:

But anyway, okay, pedicures, foot fetish. Okay, so you're very kinky in the uh in your background. So um the current relationship that you're in right now with your partner, uh, is that a cuckolding relationship? How did that come about?

SPEAKER_01:

Uh no, not not in certainly not intentionally. It was we got together twenty something years ago. She's older than she's older than me by eight years or so. Um and we both had previous relationships. Um I'd been married, split up with my wife. Um she'd been married for similar length of time to myself actually. Her husband, ex-husband had had an affair with a woman and left her for the for this woman. And um they got divorced, we got together six years later, I think. And um and then it was w when things started to get a bit more serious and we actually moved in together, it was kind of brought up, I suppose, that because we talked a lot about previous relationships and what had happened, was that you know, infidelity wasn't a part of my relationship, but it turned out it was in hers. And she always just said that if she hadn't found out she kind of wouldn't have minded, which sounds like a really bit of a weird thing to say. But because how would you mind if you didn't know?

SPEAKER_04:

Right.

SPEAKER_01:

You know. But the other side of it, when I heard that, I thought, she actually saying it's okay. Right, like she could have a bit of a green light. But not necessarily for me.

SPEAKER_02:

Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

Could be for either of us to say it's actually okay if you do that.

SPEAKER_02:

Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

It's not a problem. That's for either of us, not just for me. Didn't really think too much of it. In fact, I didn't think anything of it. Because I didn't expect her to go off with anybody else. And gen and I don't do that anyway.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm pretty monogamous. So it's not really in my wheelhouse either. So just didn't really think anything of it. And and that was the end of that. Uh but we carried on. We moved in, we had a great um fabulous sex life. She's not in the slightest bit kinky, by the way. Not even not even that much. Oh. Just no kink in there whatsoever.

SPEAKER_03:

Wow.

SPEAKER_01:

Um, but she does have amazing feet.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay, I knew there was a catch. There's gotta be some draw there.

SPEAKER_01:

Amazing feet. Amazing. Um but anyway, they didn't really particularly form a particularly big part of the of the uh of the sex life anyway, but I guess as things um bring me back on track if I go off, by the way, but as things progressed, and I I don't know how many years later it was, but her mother initially uh lived with us, and she moved out into a flat of her own, sheltered accommodation, which was three, four hours away from here, to be near her son, and um and so my partner used to go go and see her every three to four weeks, stay with her for four days, sometimes a bit longer, and that carried on for as long as it carried on for, didn't really think anything of it, she was just gonna go and stay with her mother, and when she came home, she was how do I put it, horny as hell is probably the best way to put it. She had a very active sex life, so she'd come back, come through the door. Basically, the first thing that was needed wasn't to, you know, get some coffee or whatever, it has to go you know straight down to the to the business. Let's get interested. So there was nothing unusual in any of in any of that. Um and something which I didn't realise at the time, but something changed slightly in that habit, in that it was it was a habit, she'd come home, we'd go, we'd have sex straight away virtually. But what happened was on one occasion she came home and she wanted um she wanted me to give her oral sex straight away instead of the usual straight sex. And I thought I thought that's fine. No problem with that, obviously. So that's that's all great, and I didn't notice anything in particular that first time and then the second time she came home, same thing again, and I thought, hmm, something slightly different here in terms of the way things normally the way things normally taste. And uh anyway, we just got busy and just carried on. And uh and then the more I thought about it and the way that things were kind of developing, the more I began to think, I wonder, and my mind then went back to the conversation that we'd had several years earlier about perhaps it you know being open that we can effectively um play away from home. As long as the other doesn't find out.

SPEAKER_04:

Right.

SPEAKER_01:

So this is where the conversation we had previously before we started recording was to bring up in a second, that's where that plays into this. So it became obvious after a while that yes, she was uh going away to her mother's, maybe, probably not on every occasion, going to her mother's, going to see somebody else, having sex with him before she came home, she would clearly have had sex with him, that became very obvious that she's had sex before she left him, came back, and then wanted me to do the dirty work. The cleanup correct and that sent her through the roof.

SPEAKER_03:

But so it was a huge deal. It was so good for her.

SPEAKER_01:

And when I realised it was for me, it just became an incredibly erotic thing to do that somehow seemed to put an extra spark into what was already a good sex life. It added something extra.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, I can imagine.

SPEAKER_01:

Well you can. But it was something to say that was never we both knew that we knew. So I think again, going back to the previous about saying we didn't ever discuss it between us because we both knew.

SPEAKER_03:

Right.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, even though you But if the other but if if neither of us found out that we were playing away from home, it would be fine. So we didn't discuss it.

SPEAKER_03:

Would it have been terrible though if you did talk about it?

SPEAKER_01:

Probably not.

SPEAKER_03:

But it I guess that just worked to the angst of not the angst, but like the the thrill of it is that you're not talking about it.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I think so, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. Because if you talked about it, then it would just be like this this thing and it'd be fun and everything like that.

SPEAKER_01:

But the excitement of guessing And there would be the temptation to probably discuss it more and find out about him.

SPEAKER_03:

Right.

SPEAKER_01:

Didn't really want to know about him.

SPEAKER_03:

You didn't? Okay, that would be too much.

SPEAKER_01:

And I don't think she wanted to tell me either.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh wow. Okay, and so when you first met her though, and you had this like, you know, long history of BDSM experience and stuff like that, did she did she know that about you? She were aware that you're very kinky?

SPEAKER_01:

She knew she knew some of it, but it closed down fairly quick when she had a she's she's a very visually a very attractive woman. So a number of years ago when she was much younger, she'd been approached by a company that manufactured fetishware to do some modelling. And she said, bit of fun. I've never done that kind of thing before, I'll do it. She's got an amazing, amazing figure. It was LaTeX they wanted her to wear, and she had a bad experience during the course of of that. So she kind of I think tarred everybody that was in that scene, even though maybe they even weren't in the scene as such, they were just manufacturers of products. But I think it seriously put her off getting involved with with that scene. So it was never really brought into our our play, if you like, as part of our sex. And we didn't need it, to be honest. Would have been nice maybe if sometimes it was there, but we didn't really need it. We eventually found another way to get kinky.

SPEAKER_03:

I know. This is wild to me because like I've heard this similar story so many times from guys where this is their origin story, where they will be, you know, with intimately with their their girlfriend or wife, and go down on her and notice something's different. And there's two ways to react to that, right? Like there's, you know, that could be potentially really dangerous, where he like flips out and gets violent and can't handle it. Like that's just like death, like really awful. Or there's the cuck way to deal with it, which is like be so turned on by this. How did you know for sure though? Because like women's pussies taste different depending on the pH, like it can be aesthetic, basic, whatever, right? Like, how do you know?

SPEAKER_01:

You you've you've tasted the stuff, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_03:

Unfortunately.

SPEAKER_01:

It's not, it's the they don't taste the same. It's fairly obvious. I guess so. When there's when there's still some residue.

SPEAKER_03:

And did you notice that she was just like like stretched out or like just like I don't know.

SPEAKER_01:

No, well I don't rather really take a bunch of notice of that. You know, when you when you're really busy and you're focused on what you're doing.

SPEAKER_03:

True.

unknown:

True.

SPEAKER_03:

You should be.

SPEAKER_01:

Those sorts of details. Exactly. No, but yeah, I think it goes it it goes way back to you know me saying that my my natural um my natural position, if you like, in in a a BDSM relationship is is as submissive. I have always forever through my first marriage, even though that was uh straight down the line, there was no kink involved in that whatsoever. Um the in-between part, if you like, between the relationships, when I was involved with women who were dominant sexually, I've always been the one who's had to please in order to get pleasure. So it doesn't matter who I'm having sex with. If I don't if I don't orgasm, let's say, not an issue. As long as, let's say, you do, then my work is done.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay, she had to be tuned into that, right? She had to know that you wouldn't like flip out if you did suspect that probably.

SPEAKER_01:

It was probably a bit of a chance that she took. Well, not a bit of a chance, probably a big chance.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

But had a clue that that I wouldn't.

SPEAKER_03:

Right.

SPEAKER_01:

Because I am such a I mean that again, it's it's like the feet thing. You know, you don't get you don't get that many dominant men that are into that are into feet. They're always nearly always submissive. You might be an admirer, but you they're nearly always submissive. Men that want to handle and to worship worship women's feet. They're submissive. And they want to give pleasure. And that's just me. So if I didn't ever orgasm during sex, it's not a problem for me, as long as my partner does. And she gets the best possible experience. And I've always been like that, and I think that's why this wasn't quite the the punt that she took.

SPEAKER_03:

Right. So I want to know, I'm not a cuck, I don't understand entirely what it what it feels like to go down on the woman who you love and to taste another man in her pussy. I don't know what that does to you mentally and physically. I can only guess. And I I can only go by, you know, witnessing what it's like for guys and what turns these guys on. What exactly was it like for you? Did you like were you so did it take you to a different level of being turned on, the mental aspect of it? Or kind of, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

It's it's a lot to do with being being told and being not exactly you can't say false, because it's not a false situation, but coerced if you like.

SPEAKER_04:

Yes.

SPEAKER_01:

So and again, that comes down to the submission side.

SPEAKER_04:

Yes.

SPEAKER_01:

So you're telling me, whether physically or verbally, what you want me to do, therefore, that's what you need, therefore I will do it to make you happy. Yes, simple.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes, and this is why you see this theme in cuck porn and cuck porn memes and fantasy uh stuff online when it comes to cuck holding, you see this theme of like uh the unwilling. No, I don't want to say unwilling, but what's the right word? Like it's the it's you are not you're not forced, but she's just doing this to you. You she's going to cuck you. Like my first cuck boyfriend had this fantasy of like our first date. I would, without talking about it, just bring it, have another guy there and like cuck him on the first date. And there wouldn't be any discussion about it. There would be, and yeah, it was it was super hot to talk about this and everything like that. And it was like, oh my god, that's so hot and everything like that. But realistically, you have to have a fucking conversation about it first, especially when you barely even know this person. Um, but it is like such a thing. Like you hear about cucks being quote unquote forced into this, but it's such a turn on for them.

SPEAKER_01:

So is it just like generally going to be forced into doing anything? No, they're they're doing it because they want to. Because they want not necessarily because they want to do that act that you want them to do, whatever it is, whether it's watching you with somebody else or whether it's cleaning you up afterwards or whatever it is, it's because you get pleasure out of it. You get pleasure out of them doing it. That's what well, it's what does it for me. I can't say what that's what does it for everybody else, but it's because you get the pleasure out of it. So the fact that yes, she'd been and done that with somebody else means why didn't I get pissed off about that? Because I know she came back so bloody horny, yeah, that she'd enjoyed herself so much that time that she wanted to then share that with me.

SPEAKER_03:

Right, okay.

SPEAKER_01:

And enjoy it, and then and enjoy the fact that now she's gonna invite me into that, if you like.

SPEAKER_03:

Right. Okay, okay. I'm so glad you said that because I have heard of stories of uh married couples who he really wants her to sleep with other guys. He gives her what's called a hall pass, right? You can go sleep with whoever you want. So she does that, but she doesn't tell him about it and she doesn't share any of the experience or anything like that. Basically, he's in the dark the entire time. He's not involved in any way. And it, yes, I guess she's cuckolding him in some way, but like he it's uh really unfulfilling. But in her case, with your partner, she wanted to be with you afterwards. It was something that fueled the desire in your own intimacy together.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, so it's still kind of a shared experience.

SPEAKER_03:

It is, even though you guys didn't talk about it.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

What is this called? Should we call it stealthy cuckolding or something?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, right? Yeah, that could that could be a thing. It's stealthy, it could be a new thing.

SPEAKER_03:

It got there because it needs a name. There's it's a it's such a thing. Um okay.

SPEAKER_01:

Now you're pissed off because you've never done that. You've always been too upfront about.

SPEAKER_03:

It right. I have.

SPEAKER_01:

It's you can love to try it.

SPEAKER_03:

That would be so fun.

SPEAKER_01:

You just need a new boyfriend or husband, partner.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, just need that aspect of it.

SPEAKER_01:

Small matter.

SPEAKER_03:

Damn it. Small matter, yeah. Shit. But it does sound so fun. No, no joke. I would fucking love that. Because it's such a mental mind fuck. If I went and fucked somebody else and then I didn't tell my husband, and then I just came home and I like pushed his face between my thighs, and I would just like smile at him. Like, is he gonna figure it out?

SPEAKER_01:

That's a well, that's exactly it, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

And the thing is that when he does figure it out, which he would, you would get the best you've ever had.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, oh, absolutely. And that's what I love about cucks. Nobody gets more turned on than a cuck in peak cuck mode. Like they are something else. Oh my god. That's what hooked me in right in the very beginning when I first learned about that. I was like, oh my god, I've never seen a guy lose his mind like this before. This is awesome.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, as long as I think it it's it's like what I tried to put up one side years ago was put it in a box over there somewhere, is trying to figure out, try and figure it out. Why do you why do you like this? Why do you like that? Why do you like feet? Why do people like this, that, and the other? Who cares?

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Why try and figure out the psychology of it? I'm not a psychiatrist or a psychologist. I've not don't want to know, frankly, and try and work out why. I just think it's enjoyable, so let's do it.

SPEAKER_03:

Exactly. And that's why I over the years I've had a gazillion cucks like out asking me all the time, like, you know, why am I into this? Is it normal to be into this? Like, and trying to dissect that. I'm like, who gives a shit? It's fun.

SPEAKER_01:

Like I say, it's not it's not normal. That's a fact.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, it's not yeah, it's definitely outside of the box of normal. Yeah. Yeah. It's not normal, but but to a lot of people, that's that's the allure of it, the taboo of it, right?

SPEAKER_01:

People like it not being normal.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01:

Um being different.

SPEAKER_03:

So is your partner still going and sleeping with this other guy?

SPEAKER_01:

Unfortunately, no.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh.

SPEAKER_01:

He um I I think he uh m met his maker. Oh three years ago. So it all stopped. And she's older than me. You can see roughly how old I am. Um she's probably eight years older than me, so that let's say the fire isn't there anymore.

SPEAKER_03:

Right. So how long did it last though when when she was going and sleeping with this other guy?

SPEAKER_01:

It's probably about eight years, I think.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_01:

So a decent length of time.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. And you guys never talked about it.

unknown:

No. Oh.

SPEAKER_01:

Still haven't.

SPEAKER_03:

You still haven't? Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01:

You know.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, that's amazing. Um, wow, that's that is really amazing. Okay. I have a feeling some of the listeners might be asking this one question or wanting to know the answer to this one question. Because you hadn't talked about it, but you suspected it. And clearly her, this guy that she was sleeping with was not using a condom for you. What was like, was there a concern around STIs? Was that something you thought about?

SPEAKER_01:

I suppose that's a fair question, and the answer should have been should be uh yes. I think in the moment I should have been concerned, but in the moment, especially for the first couple of times, I didn't realise what was going on anyway.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Um I had to completely trust that she knew exactly who she was.

SPEAKER_03:

Right.

SPEAKER_01:

Having sex with. So that I yeah, I just had to trust her on that one. Yeah, because I could I mean it could have been I mean, for all I know, it could have been multiple individuals. Well, it wasn't. I have no doubt about that, just because the type of person that she is.

SPEAKER_02:

Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

So it could but I mean it it could, I suppose theoretically, it could have been dozens.

SPEAKER_03:

Right. You'll never know.

SPEAKER_01:

Could have been. No? No. Well, I I have every confidence that that it wasn't. I wish you had an asked bit of question now.

SPEAKER_03:

I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01:

But I'm here, I'm fine, and I have as far as I'm aware. Yeah, well, I asked about unscathed.

SPEAKER_03:

I asked because that's kind of like one of those basic parts of the conversation that a couple would have before they would get into cuckolding is the rules and the parameters around sleeping with other guys in safety when it comes to um health and safety. So uh so if you haven't had the conversation, I guess you do just have to trust your partner. And if you've been together for a long time, then I think that you would have to have that trust as a baseline, an unspoken baseline anyway.

SPEAKER_04:

Oh, correct.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. Um so your story is pretty unique in that you you guys still you didn't talk about it, you still haven't talked about it, but it is very much cuckolding. Like that that is very much cuckolding. And uh would you say that it's something that you like a type of cuckolding or a a pathway through cuckolding that you would recommend to other couples, or no?

SPEAKER_01:

Well, I I I yeah, I would. Well, wouldn't I? I'd say I'd do it again.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, you would be like, sign me up.

SPEAKER_01:

Of course I would. I'd be that'd be yeah, I'd be lying on flat on my back any day of the week, no problem. Um yeah, it's just how do you manufacture it? You know, these are these are things that I think in that in that world, I mean you know better than I, but it it it's an incredibly difficult subject approach, yeah. Unless you are when you first get together, you're two very sexually open-minded individuals, and you you you probably know that beforehand, and you can quite happily have those types of conversations. But I think most people aren't like that. It remains in the realms of fantasy, probably mostly for the male rather than the rather than the female, because that's just men because we're weird deviants. Um but but I think it does so to to bring up a subject and then to try and make it try and almost force it to that to happen, yeah. It's that that's gonna cause more problems than than you can possibly imagine, isn't it? You filthy little bastard. Well it just is that's the kind of reaction you're gonna get, isn't it? That's why people are so reluctant to bring these things up, and that goes for either side.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01:

If somebody's wife comes home and says she wanted to have sex with multiple men, most men go through the roof to go go bonkers.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

I knew a guy many years ago. I was in the I was in the forces. He he went he went home from work one day and found his wife in bed with another woman. Now, for most for most men, he's saying fantastic.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, I mean joined in.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, what did you do, Tom? Did you jump on the did you jump on the bed with him? No, I threw her out.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Got divorced. But that is the actual reaction, that's the reality of it. The fantasy is that you jump on the bed with them.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, the reality is not that at all. So I think it it's there's probably not that many couples out there that or a small percentage of the population of couples that are out there genuinely cock holding. Most of it's probably fantasy, I would imagine. And um because it's so difficult. Yeah. I I don't know, I would never have had the conversation, I know that.

SPEAKER_03:

You wouldn't.

SPEAKER_01:

Nah.

SPEAKER_03:

No.

SPEAKER_01:

It wasn't really I don't think it was actually it wasn't really on my bucket list anyway.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, it's not it, it's not like it was a big driver for you. I mean the the the situation that happened with you very much suited who you were, as far as like it was about her pleasure and stuff. Like you loved it, but this was not something you had fantasized about forever, right?

SPEAKER_01:

That's right, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

So you natur very much naturally just got cucked.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Without driving it in that direction in any way.

SPEAKER_01:

There was no nothing you I'm gonna get so many messages going, you lucky.

SPEAKER_03:

Right? I know. There's all these cucks out there going, how the fuck do I get my wife to do this? And then your partner, she just she didn't she just did it.

SPEAKER_01:

It's obviously in in her mind, yeah, but not in mine.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Which is actually probably something I've just contradicting what I've said. Yeah, because that would be probably being cooked as more of a male fantasy than a female. It turns out I ended up with the one, the female who fantasized about it.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, and like I said, this is a uh such a fantasy for so many guys out there is that this exact situation will happen. And they have spent, I mean, probably a gazillion hours out there wanking to this fantasy of exactly what happened to you.

SPEAKER_01:

Maybe that's the effect your podcast will have.

SPEAKER_03:

I'm sure it will. Maybe this will inspire some of the women listening to that this is a fun little thing to do with your uh partner if if he would have a good reaction to it. That's that's the thing.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, you g yeah, actually you you might have a good you might have a good point. There might be um an opportunity to have some sort of group discussion with ladies who fantasize about that, but would like to see it from a man's perspective before they actually do it, before they try it out.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_01:

One of the pitfalls, potentially.

SPEAKER_03:

Exactly. Yes. Yeah. Because I definitely think it's hot as fuck. I mean, that's just a mind fuck that uh is one of those things that would really um make it more thrilling and angsty for a cuck. And I happen to really love that. There must be other women out there who would really get off on that as well.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, the other thing is there's an element of control to it, isn't there? Oh, absolutely. Not just from from the point of view that you could you could say to your husband, I'm going away this weekend with the girls. You go away for the weekend with the girls. He doesn't know whether you've gone away for the weekend with the girls or not. Or whether you've gone somewhere else. So when you're com when you come back, he has got he's only got one expectation. That you've not been away with the girls. That's what he really hopes.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

But maybe you have been away with the girl. And how disappointed is he gonna be? So you're fucking with his mind by doing that.

SPEAKER_03:

Absolutely. I I recommended something exactly like that for all of the couples out there where the woman absolutely does not want to sleep with other guys. She can still fuck with him in exactly that way. Go away with the girls and t text him about how hot the bartender is, and then just leave him on red for the rest of the night.

SPEAKER_01:

And the other thing, of course, she should do in reality is to lock him up.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes.

SPEAKER_01:

Just to make things even worse for him at home.

SPEAKER_03:

But like, there's so much you can have fun, like so many ways you can have fun like that. So I think that's fantastic. Oh, I hope I'm inspiring, I hope we are inspiring all the ladies listening right now. So, all for all the cuggy husbands who are listening right now, make sure you send this episode to your partner. Uh she might get excited about that.

SPEAKER_01:

Do we know how many people are listening to this?

SPEAKER_03:

Um, well, there's uh uh uh millions around the world, so yeah. What?

unknown:

Yes.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh my gosh. Like I think it's over like four million or something like that, like that.

SPEAKER_01:

Don't get my email address, will you?

unknown:

No.

SPEAKER_03:

But it's mostly guys listening to this show. It's like 87% men. So uh shocker. Um that's why I'm saying that. Right. That's why I'm saying for you guys who are listening, just send this one to your partner or listen to this one together and know that this is a fun little way that you can experiment uh with the whole cuckolding fantasy. Um, okay, before I wrap this up, is there anywhere that you want people to be able to contact you? I'm assuming people are going to have questions for you or comments about this show.

SPEAKER_01:

Uh easiest place is probably FatLife. Okay. I will you've got my Yeah, I believe I do.

SPEAKER_03:

If uh, but I will post that uh that FatLife profile in the link for today's show notes, so make sure you check that out. And um, Carl, do you have any last thoughts or words of wisdom that you would like to include before we wrap this up?

SPEAKER_01:

I'll just give it a go. Just give it a go.

SPEAKER_03:

I love it. Yeah, thank you so much for being on the show today. It's been such a fun time chatting with you.

SPEAKER_01:

I've enjoyed it too. Thanks, Lisa.

SPEAKER_03:

That's gonna be it for today's episode. Thank you so much for joining me. Make sure you go to VenusCuckledris.com. That's where you can book a private chat with me. And you can also join the Queen's Quarters community and get all the amazing benefits like the private podcast and the helpful cups here where you can get key holdings, the private Snapchat group, monthly private chats with me, and weekly live hangouts and invites to special live events. Oh, and you can also submit a question or confession for the show. Just go to VenusCucklegust.com and click on the link that says the podcast. Make sure you follow me on Blue Sky Social. Yes, I said Blue Sky Social fuck Twitter. My handle there is at CuckleJust V. Alright, that's it for today's show. You guys, we'll see you next time.