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Cuckold Crash & Burn: A Cautionary Tale

• Venus / Sin • Season 5 • Episode 24

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Ever wondered what happens when a fantasy finally turns real—and hits like a freight train? Venus sits down with Sin, a husband who spent years nudging his wife toward cuckolding, only to realize that the script he imagined fell apart the moment biology, nerves, and messy human needs showed up. The night looked perfect on paper: a confident bull, a camera-ready plan, and all the trappings of the “ultimate cuck” scenario. What actually unfolded was performative sex that ignored her pleasure, a husband’s post-orgasm crash into panic, and a hard lesson about consent pressure, comparisons, and the gap between porn and partnership.

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SPEAKER_01:

Here's what's coming up on the show.

SPEAKER_05:

So the angst was gone, and now I was dealing with everything that I had just seen, everything that I had heard. I just watched some guy pound my wife for you know 40 minutes, a feat I can't achieve. He was bigger than me, lasted longer than me, and in my head, it was it was like the end. Like everything that I had feared and we had talked about at the beginning, like, oh, that will never happen. I came crashing down. In my head, it was all going to happen. You know, she was never gonna want to have sex with me again. She was totally disappointed in me, and she was only ever gonna want to have guys like that. And so, what's the point of having me around? Yeah, and those were all the thoughts like I could not stop. It was just a non-stop flood of what have I done to my life? What have I done to my marriage? Uh I was at some point in time, I was like sitting in the on the floor of the shower while she was like rubbing my shoulders and balling, like, I ruined it, I ruined it, we're done.

SPEAKER_01:

This is the Venus Cuckled just Podcast, a place to learn all things cuckolding for the curious, for the passionate, and for the sexually empowered woman who wants it all. Welcome to the show. I'm your host, Venus. Thanks for joining me today. And uh, you know what? Over the years I've had a lot of guys share with me that they have never been cocked before, that they have a real fear around what it would be like, because it's one thing to fantasize about it, and it can be entirely different in reality. And so today's show is a little bit of a cautionary tale when it comes to getting cocked for the first time. Um, but it's also a kind of a roadmap to turning things around and actually making it work for you, for the both of you, for you and for her. So it's a really good episode for couples and singles, anybody who is curious to learn about what it might actually really be like and what you can do to kind of prepare for something that might be a might be a little bit different, might feel a little bit different in reality. And I am hoping uh to have this guest on for a Pillow Talk live event in the uh Queen's Quarters community. So if you want, you can join in, listen in, you can ask questions, it's quite interactive, it's a lot of fun, and it's free to be able to join live. So keep an eye out in the Queen's Quarters community. Uh the link is in the show notes for today's episode. The next live pillow talk event that is booked is for Tuesday, December the 9th. So mark your calendar. This is December 9th, it's gonna be at 12 p.m. Pacific time, that's 3 p.m. Eastern. And that is going to be with my guest Carl, who was on the show recently. He was on the show that was called Stealthy Cuckolding. Uh Tasting Another Man in Your Wife. And what a cool story that was. So he's gonna join me. We're gonna be talking a little bit more about that show. And so I'm sure you guys are gonna be interested in joining in for that one. It's gonna be great. So have a look for the link to be able to RSVP uh for that event. It is free to join live. So I'll put the link in the show notes for today. And lastly, well, a second to last actually. Um just a quick reminder. If you listen to this podcast on YouTube, please don't do that anymore. Please find a different place to listen to this podcast because YouTube has been removing my episodes. I've had people emailing me like, oh, it's been a month since you put in any episodes out. I'm like, actually, no, it's only because on YouTube they keep taking down my episodes and giving me a strike, and they're going to cancel my whole fucking YouTube account at any point in time now. So please, if you listen on YouTube, know that my days are numbered on there. I can also not um post any links, and um I'm definitely missing lots of episodes. So if you listen to it on YouTube, please stop. Please listen on somewhere else. You can listen to it anytime on VenusCucklegis.com or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, basically all of the podcast apps are just even like online, just Google search, you can listen to it that way. Um so there's lots of other ways to listen to it. But yeah, YouTube is being a pain in the fucking ass for me and it's not fun. Anyway, last but not least, it is Christmas time. I can't believe it. It's almost Christmas. It's every time this around this time of year, it just sneaked up on me. But I've had uh several people asking me about a wish list, which is really nice because I I don't like I don't normally share that very much. Um I certainly don't ask people to buy me things or anything like that. But um I have had a lot of people asking me, do you want something as a Christmas gift? And I was like, oh, that's so nice. So I did put together a wish list. Um and I will put the link in the show notes for today. If you are one of those people that is just feeling like you want to give back to Venus, hey, why not? I've made a list, so it's there for you. All right, that's it for announcements. Let's jump into this show. You're gonna love it. Here we go. All right, joining me on the show. I have uh my guest his name, he goes by the name of Sin, and he's gonna share a little story about his cuckolding journey. And I'm really excited for this one. Thanks for joining me on the show. Say hello to all of the listeners.

SPEAKER_05:

Hi, listeners, how are you? I'm glad to be here.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, thanks for coming on the show. You sent me an email because I put a post out regarding uh I wanted to talk about post-net regret, which I got a lot of people sending in, like they were like, Oh yeah, I definitely I want to talk about that and stuff. And I had a lot of people who I talked to, but very few actu who actually went through like post-nut clarity, post-nut regret with cuckolding. So I'm excited to have you on the show because I think that this will be a really interesting story to tell. So uh, so I Sin, you are married, correct?

SPEAKER_05:

I am married.

SPEAKER_01:

How long have you been married for?

SPEAKER_05:

Oh a dozen years.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay. And you are the one that first brought up cuckolding to your wife, right?

SPEAKER_05:

Yes, yep.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, and how did you bring that up to her?

SPEAKER_05:

Um, I you know, I didn't really know what it was called. Um she had never had sex with anybody but me. And um just kind of got the idea that we could explore outside of our marriage, not quite swing, um, but that she could, you know, try to the guys that wouldn't care, I swear. Um and that that was years ago when I brought it up and we played with the idea, she was very hesitant. Um But we you know, started with like looking at apps, having her chat with guys just to see that yes, she's still attractive, yes, people still like her. Um until it, you know, finally went to acting on it.

SPEAKER_01:

And how long did that take where you had brought it up between where you had brought it up and when you are when she was like, Okay, alright, fine, we can do this.

SPEAKER_05:

You know, realistically, like between talking about it, like role-playing it in the bedroom, probably a year and a half to two years of of just you know, I I was pushy, I'll admit that. Um, but I was I can't force her to do anything, so it was it was just constantly, you know, a theme if we were doing something more than just like vanilla sex. It was always in the background.

SPEAKER_04:

Right.

SPEAKER_05:

Uh and then her her talking to people, that was probably six months before we ever uh did anything. You know, we got on dating apps and what's that?

SPEAKER_01:

Did she did she so you said you were pushy? Did was she getting like annoyed with you or or she ever like just like fucking drop it or Oh oh yeah, oh yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, yeah. I mean she would you know, she would tolerate like the the fantasy for a while, like, oh okay, that's cute, ha ha ha until I until I would be like, Well, why don't we do it? You know, the fantasy is really fun to talk about, I'm sure it'll be fun in real life. Um and she would have to she would have to, you know, set me down like, hey look, this is me, you're not the one doing anything, so yeah, let me go my own pace. Um that's probab that was probably like a it was cyclic, right? Like she would set me down, so I'd take a step back and pretend like I didn't really want it anymore. Uh but uh the the idea is pervasive.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

Once it's in your head, it's really hard to get out. So I kept bringing it up and probably pissing her off plenty.

SPEAKER_00:

This is a common theme. Oh, I'm sure of it.

SPEAKER_01:

Um, so that's interesting. Uh was it but eventually she was like, all right, fine, I'll do it. What do you was she like, I'll do it for you, or I'll do it like one time, or I'll do it to shut you up, or was she like, oh, I'm gonna do it because it sounds fun.

SPEAKER_05:

It's it's probably a hybrid of all of those. Um I i if she chimed in, she would probably agree with me, I'm guessing.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

Uh we had met somebody just to discuss it with them on there was no intention of play. We just wanted to see what it was like to talk to somebody who had been in the lifestyle as a bull. And he was so cool. He was just mellow and really um really genuine and kind, and so we met him, talked to him, and that kind of put her fears um at rest. But uh we didn't actually play with him, so we met him, and then a couple months later I finally convinced her, like, hey, let's do it, you know, fine, let's do it. We're adults, we can do this. Um, but at that time, she didn't want to do the app finding. So she had me going through the apps, talking to the people, doing all the screening. And I don't I'm not blaming her, it's not her fault that it went bad. Um but we just didn't know what we were doing. So we found a guy who uh you know claimed to be like an experienced bull and brought him to our house, which again another mistake we made. Um and then and then she just went through with it. I don't know. We we didn't know like you could just tell somebody no. Like if you were to meet somebody today of it's totally fine for her to be like, I'm not comfortable, I'm not doing this.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

Um so we went through with it with the guy that we met ten minutes before.

SPEAKER_01:

Um, okay, we're gonna get into that in detail, but uh first I want to back up a little bit. When you were trying to convince your wife to do this, I know that you were kind of flip-flocking flip-flopping back and forth where you would, you know, pretend that you didn't want her to do it anymore, and then you would bring it up again and doing all that stuff.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Um, I just I'm curious to know in your mind, I know that it's like a hot fantasy. You've probably been thinking about it for a really long time, something that you thought you really wanted. But during that time where you were trying to convince her, was there any at any point where you felt like maybe this could harm our relationship, or maybe it could go bad, or where you were like, you know, a bit scared to go through with it? Did that like was that part of your thinking back then?

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, yeah, it is. Um and it was. Uh and you know, it felt like we talked that through so well. You know, she reassured me that uh, you know, she'll I'll always love you, even if somebody has a bigger dick or you know, has sex better than you, and and vice versa. I was like, I won't judge you for doing this. But with guys, we tend to think with our dicks. So even though like logic told me like there were chances that this could go wrong. Um that never won. That that was never the prevailing thought at the end of the day. It was like, oh yeah, that could be risky, but we've managed ten years of marriage, we can pull this off.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, so you thought the thought was always there. Okay, so you thought your the foundation of your marriage was so strong that whatever bumps you came across that you'd be you'd be okay, you'd be able to figure it out. Yeah, yeah, beautifully put. Did she have any did she talk to you about any kind of fears that she had about how it would affect your relationship?

SPEAKER_05:

Oh, certainly. Yeah, I mean, in the the two years really leading up to us acting on it, uh, we had countless like late night conversations, just laying in bed, like well, what if, you know, the what if game. And trying to talk through every scenario that could possibly happen.

SPEAKER_01:

Did you? That's good that you had those conversations. That's I'm glad to hear that.

SPEAKER_05:

Well, they they they worked to a degree. They got us to doing it, but the the the reality's different than the fantasy.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

Um but you know, we thought we were ready. We we definitely did, and we we had talked it through, and she is um far more emotionally mature than I am. I'll say that. So when she says, I'm not gonna leave you because the guy has a bigger dick. Now, in hindsight, I I know that. Um But that was always a fear of mine. Her fears were largely like, you know, the the slut shaming, or what does that make me if I have sex with someone other than my husband?

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

Um and there's really no way you can convince somebody that that's not gonna be your case. Uh we trust each other, but some of these fears are so deep-rooted societally and culturally that you just you can't do anything about it until you kind of test the water and see what it's like. At least that's that's bad advice. I hope nobody does that.

SPEAKER_01:

So that's kind of what we did. So let's so let's talk about it because I think there's a lot of things to be learned by from your first cuckolding experience, your story of that and how that went. Um, so first of all, where did you meet or how where did you find this guy? You were the one doing the searching for the guy, right? Your wife was not involved with that, right? But did she have like a criteria that she wanted for the guy? Wow.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, I don't want to. She did and didn't. Like largely it was how big is his seen it. Um, does he have experience? Because you know, we had listened to podcasts, and people are like, find somebody who's experienced.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

Um he claimed to have experience, whether he did or didn't, I don't know. Um and she kind of has a look, but I I know now uh that I could pick the most gorgeous guy on earth, and it's it's she's just not gonna like him. And I've given up trying to figure out why. Uh but at the time I would be like, What about this guy? What about this guy? Until she got bored enough, she's like, Yeah, that guy's fine. So that's how we found the first guy. He was kind of uh that guy's fine.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay. So he was kind of mediocre. She was just like, whatever, just let's just do this. She was probably getting tired of the f searching forever.

SPEAKER_05:

And the constant nagging from her husband on the front.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh shit.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh dear. Okay, so you reached you reached out to him, you connected. Was he local to you?

SPEAKER_05:

Uh he about 30 minutes away, so Okay. Pretty pretty local uh compared to what uh you know many of the bulls around here are. So not close enough that you can next door neighbor.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay. And so you set aside a day and time, you were like, okay, so he's gonna come over to our house, and was it a like just a hang in? Was it was gonna be like a hangout, or was this gonna be the f the f she was he was definitely gonna fuck her?

SPEAKER_05:

So we we had this grand scheme, this this amazing plan where we would we would we would set up almost a timer and it was gonna be 30 minutes. He'd come over, we'd have a cocktail or something, chat for 30 minutes, and after 30 minutes, uh she would, you know, like step out of the room and send me a text like, Yeah, let's do this, let's not do this.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh okay.

SPEAKER_05:

It was it was feeble. Because once you're in in the moment and somebody's there, uh she would call herself a people pleaser.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

So she was far more likely to say yes than she was to say no or to stay true to how she felt.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, I so understand that. Yes.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, and so so you know, he came over, we did that, um, but the pressure was there.

SPEAKER_01:

Um so how did you feel about him? How what was your vibe? Like, what did you get from him?

SPEAKER_05:

Uh he was a nice guy. Like for me, I was you know, really worried about her, and at the same time, I'm like, no way, this is finally gonna happen. Uh when it came down to like that 30-minute timeline, which terrible idea. Uh and she said yes, it was kind of like, sweet, all right, let's do this. Uh but otherwise he was nice. There were no he he wasn't like a there were no red flags.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay.

SPEAKER_05:

Just meeting somebody like that. Nothing like that. It just she has a particular type, uh, and me being her husband, I cannot I can't pick up on what that is.

SPEAKER_01:

So did when you were planning this night, obviously this is potentially you're in your mind gonna be the first time you've been cucked and and that she's done this. And did you guys do any of the like the typical cuckolding rituals of you help her get ready and or buy her lingerie or do that kind of stuff in advance?

SPEAKER_05:

None of that. Uh she was she picked what she wanted to wear. I uh I you know I had like the room ready and like candles and condoms and lubes and toys and all that type of stuff. I I was like the support crew, but I didn't do any of the the picking out what she wanted to wear. I might have weighed in on something, but yeah. I really wanted her to be comfortable.

SPEAKER_01:

How did that feel to be getting the room ready like that?

SPEAKER_05:

Oh, it's hot. I mean, even even knowing how the night went, it was it was amazing. Like this is like uh the angst, which up until then, you know, you only feel it when you're talking to people, there's a the low level angst. Once somebody's over your house and you know it's you know there's a really good possibility it's gonna happen, it ramps up to you know, like 15 out of 10. It's wild.

SPEAKER_01:

And so during that time when you were, you know, peak angst, I guess before they started fucking, um was there any part of your mind that was like, you know, like I hope this goes well, and like I don't know, maybe it won't? Or were you apprehensive at all, or was it just pure like you were turned on, you were excited, you were like 10 out of 10, let's do this.

SPEAKER_05:

Uh if I could have both 10 out of 10, let's do this and apprehension at the same time, I would say yeah. Because I really wanted it to work for her because at that point, you know, you're in that like cocktail of this is amazing going on in your body, like this is so fun. And she's still my wife, I still love her. Um I'm not trying to like prostitute her out for my own enjoyment. Right. Um so yes, I was nervous and I could tell she was nervous, but at the same time, it was it was so fun, it's such a rush. Um that one beat out the other.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay. So the reason why I'm asking is like there's so many guys out there that really, really want their wife to cuck them, or you know, their future wife, or whatever. They want this fantasy to come true so badly, but they're scared because they don't know what it's actually gonna be like. So it's fascinating to hear what that was actually like for you for for that first time. Now, did this bull did he ask you what you wanted as far as like any boundaries or wish list or any like any kind of vibe that you wanted from him?

SPEAKER_05:

Oh yeah, yeah, we did. We had a long conversation. Um we did have rules early on, um, you know, like obviously protection was a must. We might have had the no, we didn't. Early on, we had talked about no kissing, um, but then that just didn't make sense because kissing's kind of intimate. So we had thrown that one out. And we had like, because you know, I thought I was living out my fantasy, and like this guy was these two were gonna perform for me. I I know that's not really what I was thinking, but in hindsight that's kind of how it came out. I wanted him to play like the partially demeaning bull, you know, like the guy who has little comments for me throughout the session.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay.

SPEAKER_05:

Um so yeah, we did discuss some of that and he was he was on board with all of it. He's like, Yeah, yeah, I can do that. I'm totally good. Uh don't have a four, I'm the best type thing.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh no. I'm the best.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh no. Okay. Um, so how how did it start then? I g I'm guessing that you know, you said after 30 minutes she came out of the room and she sent you a message and said, Yes, let's do this. So what happened after that?

SPEAKER_05:

Uh uh then it was um we went to uh we have a unused bedroom. So that was the room I had set up. We uh we finished and uh they went together and I followed them and closed the door and then it started with like very short amount of kissing, and then uh I don't know how much detail you want, but give me all the details. Most vivid thing I remember initially was I sat oh yeah, we put our own couch here in the bedroom, it's perfect.

SPEAKER_01:

Of course.

SPEAKER_05:

And so I sat in the chair and they were in front of me. Uh and they turned sideways so I could see when she took his pants off. And he was part of rock already. She got on her knees, started sucking him off, and he was looking at me and making comments like, oh, to her, like you've never had one back. So it was playing out like a porn movie. Um you know, he definitely has been couple porn. Um but yeah, it was pretty fun. They did that, and then uh they eventually she got naked, they both got naked and started trying as many positions as they could. Um and from my point of view, because I'm not her, it looked like she was enjoying herself, like he was going hard, she was moaning, uh, he discovered that she squirked.

SPEAKER_02:

Okay.

SPEAKER_05:

Which she has a little bit of a thing about. She's not the biggest fan of it.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

And once he figured that out, that's all he would go for.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh no.

SPEAKER_05:

But it was yeah, I mean, from where I was at, like they probably up to like 30 to 40 minutes. They had to take breaks. I think he was about to die. He was uh he would go as hard as he could and have to like just sit on the ground and catch his breath. Um I didn't expect that. Um they obviously don't do that in the movies.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, no.

SPEAKER_05:

But the whole time, like he was you know doing different poses and I swear, I I'm misremembering this, but I swear he did like the gas dawn, like leg up on the bed to pose, like oh my gosh, it was so bad. And like he kept looking over, he's like, Yeah, yeah, she liked that.

SPEAKER_01:

And uh oh, so this sounds like it was absolutely performative, like for you. This was a show for you, and probably your wife was doing the performative sex for you. But at the time, I'm I imagine you picked up on that, obviously, if you're like, oh, it was kind of corny, like all these, you know, yeah, it it felt it felt forced.

SPEAKER_05:

It felt so forced. Like I realize that you know, hard sex can be hard sex, but like the looks over the shoulder, and like he was he was foc focused more on himself, um, almost very little on her. Uh you know, he would talk to her and say things to her, and you know, they'd switch positions and they had a a little bit of back and forth, but it was it was largely he was putting on a show for the audience, I think. I mean I can't get in his head, but that's that's what it appeared to be a thing you know in hindsight.

SPEAKER_01:

And you were jerking off. Oh, I was. Was it the hottest thing you've ever seen up up to that point, was it?

SPEAKER_05:

Oh my gosh, yeah. And I I was like if I had actually been jerking off, it would have been like six seconds because it I mean I had to like take long breaks. Yeah. I was like, okay, okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna slow this down. I don't want my fun to end. Oh, that didn't last. I I went I I I edged as long as I could and then uh totally wrecked one of my shirts, which I well I didn't ex I wasn't planning on jerking off, but I couldn't I couldn't help myself. It was gonna happen.

SPEAKER_01:

Well yeah, because they were going at it for a long time. I mean, that's a decent amount like length of time for fucking that's really hard.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, and it it was really hard. We've actually nicknamed him. We have a a little, it's not a little black book, it's a very large black book. Not saying there's a lot of people in there. But what we write down our perspectives of every person we've met, yeah. We omit names, but we give them a nickname and we've nicknamed him the jackhammer.

SPEAKER_01:

I was gonna say, was it the jackhammer?

unknown:

No way.

SPEAKER_05:

That's exactly what it is.

SPEAKER_01:

That's so funny. Yeah, that style of sex. Um, I mean, I'm all for a good hard fucking once in a while, but I really not into the fucking straight jackhammer for 30, 40 minutes. Um, that's what you see in porn, and that's where you see the fake orgasms from women in porn. It's like, oh my god, getting fucked so hard. Um but I don't think that um in reality, it's not all that enjoyable, I don't think. From for me, and I think most women would probably say that it's you know, they can handle like it's fun for a bit, but you need to have some sort of like sexual variety when sensual variety when it comes to fucking. And uh it sounds like there was none of that with that experience.

SPEAKER_05:

No, it went it went from zero to ten. Like as soon as she had, you know, sucked him off for a few minutes, it was at 10. And it w it stayed at 10, except for the times when he was catching his breath.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, he probably thought he gave her the best fucking that she'd ever had. And meanwhile, she's like, Oh god, no.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, he had he had serious chance syndrome. He's like, I am the best.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, that's a red flag.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, I know now.

SPEAKER_01:

So you were jerking off. You ruined your shirt. What went through your mind after you came? Because they were not finished, right?

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, they weren't finished. They probably went like another 10 minutes after that. So I I I came and then there was there was a letdown, a little bit of a letdown that happened, you know, that wasn't quite the post-match clarity that really hit later once everything had stopped. Yeah. But it was kind of like, oh, okay, well, it's still a good show. Like you know, I still liked what I was seeing, but uh the high had kind of passed. And now it's kind of like, okay, okay, well maybe I'll focus on what she's seeing or you know, focus on her as opposed to focusing on myself.

SPEAKER_01:

Were you taking any pictures or videos or anything like that?

SPEAKER_05:

Yes, yes, yeah. So in between jacking off, uh I would tuck my dick away and then go take videos and photos.

SPEAKER_01:

Right.

SPEAKER_05:

Try different angles. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

This is like the full cuck session. I'm just picturing it in my mind.

SPEAKER_05:

We had it planned, right? Like these are all the things you have to check to have a a cuck session. And and you know, w almost. We almost hit them all.

SPEAKER_01:

Right. I and I get, I understand why couples want to do that. They want to basically like check the box for the ultimate cuckolding fantasy for their very first time ever, ever, ever. And I just feel like that's so unrealistic. And not just unrealistic, but um not going to feel as fulfilling as you expect.

SPEAKER_05:

No, yeah. Um, but yeah the first time, like there's a lot of things going to head, like this might only happen once. Right. Like maybe you do this once and it never happens again.

SPEAKER_00:

Right.

SPEAKER_05:

Um, and so you kind of want to hit everything all at once. Like, okay, we have to do this right.

SPEAKER_00:

Right.

SPEAKER_05:

Um hindsight, right is a word you get to define as opposed to what society defined. But we didn't know that at the time.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, because your checklist, your was based on b the typical cuckolding porn script, right?

SPEAKER_05:

Oh, pretty much, yeah. Yeah. Yep.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, so what happened after that? What happened after?

SPEAKER_05:

So so like I was saying, this guy was having a hard time. Um like I I feel like he was about to have a heart attack perhaps. Because he was going hard. Eventually, uh, I forget if he had to call it quit or she had to call it clips, or we just communally called it clips. We're like, hey, okay. What do we call it for the night, right?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, it's half an hour.

SPEAKER_05:

So he actually did not come. Uh but he, you know, we kind of just decided, okay, that's enough.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

He got dressed. You know, I walked him up to the front door, said, Hey, thanks, that was really fun. He drove off.

SPEAKER_01:

Um I bet he took Viagra. I bet that's what he did. He probably took Viagra.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, I'm guessing I'm guessing he rubbed one out and took Viagra before he came over. So he was just not going to come.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

We we we analyzed that in depth afterwards. Like, how on earth? But yeah, no, so he didn't come, he left. Uh then I went back to the the the bedroom and she was still just laying on the bed, and we we cuddled for a while and talked about it, and that's like when it really hit home for me.

SPEAKER_01:

Did you lick her pussy at all?

SPEAKER_05:

No, no. I think by that point in time like had started to cool down.

SPEAKER_02:

Okay.

SPEAKER_05:

Um and it was also getting back to her and like cuddling her. Uh like I was dressed, she was naked. Um I started to like pay attention to what was going on with her as opposed to myself. And uh, you know, the first simple question, like, oh, how was that? And her response was something to the effect of like like meh. Like it was it was just that, you know, it wasn't anything special at all.

SPEAKER_02:

Right.

SPEAKER_05:

So no, there was no I I don't even think we had sex afterwards because I had already come. Um we just laid and talked for a while and then uh went up and took a shower together and just continued talking about you know our thoughts about what had happened.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, so you guys got into the shower and you're still kind of talking about it. And I understand that it's right around this time that you started to kind of crash and burn emotionally, is that right?

SPEAKER_05:

Oh, it was yes, yes. That's uh that's an understatement right there. Yeah, I I crashed and burned hard.

SPEAKER_01:

So what happened? How come this hit you? Because you seemed like up until that point, you know, you were good. Like, you know, everything was cool, everything's good, and what happened? Was it was there something that triggered it, or is just a flood of emotions?

SPEAKER_05:

I think it was so it's it's the flood of emotion, you know, all the angst had kind of like kind of just crashed in on itself. So the angst was gone, and now it's dealing with everything that I had just seen, everything that I heard. Um, I just watched some guy pound my wife for you know 40 minutes. Uh a feat I can't achieve. He was, you know, bigger than me, um lasted longer than me. Uh and and in my head, it was it was like the end. Like everything that I had feared and we had talked about at the beginning, like, oh that will never happen. I came crashing down. In my head it was all going to happen. Like we were gonna, you know, she was never gonna want to have sex with me again. She was totally disappointed in me, and she was only ever gonna want to have guys like that, and so what's the point of having me around? Um Yeah, those were all the thoughts like I could not stop. It was just a non-stop flood of what have I done to my life, what have I done to my marriage? Um and so yeah, we're in the shower and I start going through all this in my head, I'm localizing a lot of it. Uh it's funny because she probably should have been the one, like, what did I just do? But she was really trying to talk me off the edge of a cliff. Telling me that you know, it's okay, I don't feel that way, it wasn't that good, you don't understand, I I wasn't really enjoying myself. But in my head, it was over. Like everything I had built for a decade was over. Uh I was at one point in time I was like sitting in the on the floor of the shower while she was like rubbing my shoulders and bawling, like, I ruined it, I ruined it, we're done.

SPEAKER_04:

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_05:

You know, I ruined our marriage, this it's never gonna last. I can't believe I did this. I'll it'll never be the same. And in my head, you know, she had just had the best sex with her life. And being a guy, sex is everything. So I thought to her, uh, you know, how could she ever come back from this? How could she ever enjoy sex with me? So it was just a a complete crash out.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh my goodness. So how long did that last for? And you said you were like ins inconsolable, like nothing she you didn't believe anything she said when she was trying to console you. How long did that last for?

SPEAKER_05:

It it was probably oh, well, I mean, the she was able to calm me down that night, but I want to say in my head, um, you know, I had I swore off cuckle being, I swore off everything. I'll never do that again. Worst mistake of my life. It probably lasted a couple weeks, perhaps not as bad, because she's very level headed. She was able to f you know it basically required me listening to her as opposed to living in my own head.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

And when I f when she finally, you know, got through to me, like, look, I did not enjoy it. This guy was a jackhammer. He didn't focus on me at all. He only wanted to do performative sex and and make it look good. And yeah. He loved the fact that I squirted, which I don't like. And and so she had to really talk it through with me, like what was going on in her head and why it was not spectacular.

unknown:

Right.

SPEAKER_05:

But that didn't really sink in for a couple weeks.

SPEAKER_01:

Because this had nothing really to do with your wife. This had to everything to do with your own insecurities, right?

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, I mean this that's kind of the fun thing of cuckle being is you You're actually playing with your insecurities.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes.

SPEAKER_05:

You're using them as a fuel for, you know, sexual gratification, more or less. Um, and yeah, and so I was not ready for seeing it in person or what that would actually mean for me. Um Yeah, it was it was a definitely a bigger hit than I was expecting.

SPEAKER_01:

So was there ever a time before that first experience where you had heard of that kind of reaction where cucks have, you know, this crash and burn emotionally, or like w or did this completely catch you off guard?

SPEAKER_05:

Well, so you know, you hear about it because I'd listened to podcasts, I'd listen to yours, um and I'd I'd hadn't read any books or done anything like that, but I'd I'd I really thought I'd done that research. And I knew that there was the inevitable crash, but you know, I was like, well, why why would I be worried about that? We have a perfect marriage. We talk everything through. Uh I really thought that there's no way it would happen to me because we planned for everything, right? We had a plan for everything. Uh but when you're dealing with emotion, not logic, uh those plans just get thrown out the window.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes. So and I I love the fact that you're sharing this story. I love the fact that we're talking about this because there's so much emphasis put on cuckolding as a fantasy where he's watching his wife have sex, and that's literally the only the definition that you you ever see out there or hear about out there. But it is so much more complex than just that. And um, this aspect of cuckolding that requires um a deep level of care and almost like emotional um cuck sitting, emotional cuck caretaking, I should say, that a wife needs to do or some most of the time needs to do could because I hear this often with first time getting cucked, where um it is really it takes an emotional toll on the cuck. And um, as you can imagine, if you don't have a really solid rock solid uh relationship with your wife or your partner, um then that could be potentially catastrophic. So there's a there's a lot of uh responsibility that she has to with emotional caretaking for her husband during this thing, where she's probably not you know anticipating that as being a need. But uh going back to when how that all played out, I'm sure like that you guys went and analyzed the fuck out of that whole experience and were like, okay, this is kind of where we went off track. This is where we could have done, made different decisions that would have turned out better. This is some of the mistakes that we made. What were some of the things that you guys immediately came up with where we're you were like, yeah, we fucked that up. We should not have done that.

SPEAKER_05:

Oh, yeah. So there's really um probably two or three main takeaways. The first was uh we stopped meeting people and planning on playing that night. Uh that was just such a bad idea. Because I know how pressure works on her, um, I know how the interest works on me, like you know, a guy's there, they're gonna have sex, of course I want it to have it. Uh so we we stopped that, now we do uh like a platonic meet and greet, like not not even with a potential play. Like, hey, we'll meet you at a bar or a restaurant, and we'll chat. We'll go home, we'll think about it, then if we want to meet up, we'll schedule something. So that that's one degree of separation that kind of allows her to cool down, say, like, you know what, I really like that guy, I want to play with him. Um the other one that was probably the hardest for me was uh she took over finding people. Um, because I I really loved being involved. It was fun. I'd be like, oh, this guy's for me, you should try this. And I felt really involved in the whole process.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

Uh but for her, she's not I see a hot guy, I want to sleep with him. And she may she may think that, but for her to enjoy it, she kind of wants to connect with them before.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

She plays not like a boyfriend, but just hey, I actually know this guy's name and he's a nice person, so I feel comfortable with it.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

Um so with her taking over, uh, she's able to do that, right? If she wants to chat with the guy for four months, uh she can do that. Um it's still I mean I've I've calmed down since but I'm always interested. Like, hey, do you have any prospects right now? How's it going? So I'm still a little uh impatient, but that was that was a big one. And then uh another one that wasn't so important, but we decided to stop bringing people to our house. Like it was just that was another weird thing, like you just brought a stranger to your house to have sex with your wife in front of you, like maybe wait a time or two before you invite them over. Like that's that's your that's your safe place.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

And so those three things are probably the three main things we we instituted after that.

SPEAKER_01:

Right. And what about the the sexual script? Because you guys went all full-on cuck porn script. What what about that? Was that something that you tossed out the window and you're like she's just gonna do what she wants?

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, good point. I I forgot about that. Um it's gone. Completely gone. Now it's uh um now it's just whatever she wants, whatever the other guy wants. Um I don't even have to be there. Uh because I'd rather her just have it feel natural. Like performative sex is fun. But it's also fun for her, especially on like meeting a guy the first time, just to you know, feel like there's no pressure. She can do whatever she wants, they can do whatever they want. There's there's no reason to perform, there's nobody to perform for.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Yeah, so that's those is a lot of really good things that you guys have changed since then. But what about aftercare? Um, was that something that you guys were like, all right, this is what we need to make sure that we do after each time to make sure you don't have that crash?

SPEAKER_05:

Yes, yeah. So I I think I can't tell if that crash would have happened if we had had proper aftercare or not. However, now I don't sit there and jack off while they're having sex. I wait. Um and then once the person leaves, um, you know, I'll come in and we'll cuddle and we'll talk about it and laugh about the things that went wrong. Um it's laughter's good healing medicine and talk about what she liked, what she didn't like. And then we'll have, you know, like reconnected reconnection sex and um is that super fun?

SPEAKER_01:

Do you like come right away?

SPEAKER_05:

It is it is super fun, and yes, yes. I mean we've got other things uh uh in addition to that, like me going down on her as soon as the person's gone, or you know, like so some of that has played in there, but we always have you know a heart-to-heart chat, and then since I'm just horny beyond belief, then we have sex.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, so that's good. So the reconnection sex afterwards is a thing for you guys now.

SPEAKER_05:

It is, it's fun. I I mean it's not like it's not like we couldn't reconnect just by cuddling.

SPEAKER_04:

Right.

SPEAKER_05:

Like we absolutely could, but it's also fun for us because we enjoy having sex with each other. Yeah. Uh that is just kind of a fun way for us to just kind of, you know, enjoy what we just did. She's still horny um sometimes. I'm definitely still horny, and so it just allows us to kind of bond and uh go about our day.

SPEAKER_01:

One of the very few cuck porn videos that I actually ever enjoyed watching um was I mean, it was like a decade ago now that I saw it, and it really was nothing special. It was just a um amateur couple. The husband filmed this encounter like she was fucking her bull. And um and afterwards the bull left. The guy, the husband went and put like the camera on the table or whatever to film, still film. He went over to his wife. The bull, I guess, had just come inside of his wife, and uh he went over to his wife and he put a stick in her about to have sex, and he literally got he got like four pumps in and just like completely lost it. So I remember watching that going, that is the hottest fucking thing I think I've ever seen up into that point because I was like, wow, he's so turned on by his wife right now that he can't control himself, even in the slightest. And I don't know why that I think I think that started my weird fetish with like premature ejaculation for Cox.

SPEAKER_00:

I just was like, it's so embarrassing for the husband, but so hot and like I don't know, it's so fun. Oh, I know that is great.

SPEAKER_05:

Like you would love to go in there and like perform for another 30 minutes. Like, check it out, babe. I'm just as good as he is, but yeah, you just you just went through this crazy horny roller coaster, and you feel that warm pussy, and you're like, and I'm done.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

I'm going to take a nap now.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

So I could totally see how that would be fucking amazing. Like such a climactic end to the whole thing.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, it is so fun.

SPEAKER_01:

And fun for her too to watch you just completely lose your mind.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, and it's probably a relief too, because she probably just went three rounds with somebody. The last thing she wants to do is go another 30 minutes.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, I absolutely love your story so much. There's a lot to be learned. And speaking of that, do you have like we're we're gonna wrap this up because we're almost out of time, but do you have some tips and advice that you would love to give any other couples who are out there thinking about doing cackling for the first time and maybe back in the same shoes that you were in when you were trying to convince your wife to do this?

SPEAKER_05:

Uh yeah, I mean, it's probably advice they've all heard before. Um, I obviously everybody says communication and that's key. I don't think you'll understand the level of communication you need until you get into it. Uh you have to be willing to talk about everything. Uh and then the other thing I think that's helped us is like learn to laugh. Like, you know what, not every encounter goes right, not everything works. If at the end of the day the two of you can laugh it off and move forward together, um that's that's the what I would consider success.

SPEAKER_01:

I love that so much. And you're right, there is a a whole different level of communication that you need to practice in order to be able to really thrive with this kind of dynamic in your relationship. It is not just a oh, let's talk about it. It's like, oh, let me be the most vulnerable, emotionally naked person I have ever been in my life with you right now, kind of communication, which is really hard for a lot of people.

SPEAKER_05:

I mean, we're we we're at least men, everybody's trying to be all stoic and I don't have feelings, and uh it doesn't work. It doesn't work until you can really open up and and you know discuss how you feel and and listen to how she feels.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes, yeah. I love how you said that you were that what you had to do to get over the emotional breakdown was to actually listen to your wife and what she was saying. I love that.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, no, I mean she she's the anchor, she's the one that has been steady the whole time. Um, it was my idea. She's taken, you know, taken it and run with it. But if I had tr kept trying to run the show and and kept trying to do things my way, um it wouldn't have worked.

SPEAKER_01:

Mm-hmm. Well, I'm really happy that you guys have made the changes that you need to make in order to really uh figure out a way of doing cuckolding that works for both of you, but especially what works for her. And at the end of the day, that's the most important thing. So that's great.

SPEAKER_05:

I agree.

SPEAKER_01:

Um, all right, that's it for uh the show today. We've run out of time. I will include your Twitter handle in the show notes for today. Um, and then maybe, maybe I could have you on for a Pillow Talk live event sometime in the Queen's Quarters community, not to put you on the spot right now, but we can chat about that. But Sin, thank you so much for being on the show today. This was a lot of fun and I love your story. Thank you for having me uh that's gonna be it for today's episode. Thank you so much.