The Venus Cuckoldress Podcast

Stop Leaving Your Fantasy To Chance And Start Planning For A Great Bull Experience

• Venus / Doc Chocolate & Fun Charlie • Season 6 • Episode 2

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Ever feel like finding a sexy, respectful bull is harder than the cuckolding fantasy promised? Venus is joined by Doc Chocolate and Fun Charlie to dig into the messy reality—catfishing, ghosting, bad fits—and share a plan that actually delivers: clear screening, smart logistics, and fair compensation so the night feels safe, sexy, and memorable. 

They challenge the myth that great experiences "just happen". If this is your one shot to build trust and make her first time a win...then stack the deck. Whether you’re in a big city or a small town, this is your playbook for turning a fragile fantasy into a repeatable, real-life experience you’ll both want again. If you found this helpful, subscribe, share with a friend, and leave a quick review—it helps more couples find the guidance they need.

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SPEAKER_00:

This is the Venus Cuckolders Podcast, a place to learn all things cuckolding for the curious, for the passionate, and for the sexually empowered woman who wants it all.

SPEAKER_03:

Let's go.

SPEAKER_00:

Welcome to the show. I'm your host, Venus. Thanks for joining me today. Today I have Doc Chocolate from the Bulls and Queens podcast and Fun Charlie. They are joining me to talk about why the fuck is it so hard to find the right bull in this cuckolding lifestyle? Why is it such a fucking difficult task? So we're going to talk about that. And we're also going to be going over a few maybe possibly controversial solutions. I don't think that they're controversial at all, but uh I think you might be surprised by some of these ideas that we're going to talk about today because it's not something that I think a lot of people think about, but I think is the perfect solution to finding the right bull for your fulfilling your cuckled fantasies, you and your wife. But first, I do have a few announcements, and I finally got the stats back from my podcast platform about which episodes were the most popular, most downloaded, most listened to episodes from 2025. And I don't find them very surprising because I knew that these ones were going to be a fucking massive hit. So the first number one, most downloaded, most listened to episode of 2025 was episode number eight. And it was called The Hottest Real Life Cuckleding Stories. And this was a couple who came on the show and talked about some of the things that they've done in their relationship together. And it was, it was pretty wild. It was pretty fun. It was great to hear about all of the fun that they were having. So that was episode eight, number, that was number one, uh, most downloaded for 2025. Number two, this one was really interesting. This one was episode number four, and it was called Crushing Defeat and Unable to Compete with BBC. Uh, Cuck is Born. That was the title of the episode. It was actually my very good friend who was a guest on that show who shared his story, and it was controversial. I have guys who have said that they have listened to that on repeat, like over and over again. There's something about that story he shared that they can't get enough of. Um, and that I was, I was laughing at my friend. I should have been nicer, that um it was terrible and awful, and and they can't listen to it because like I was such a big meanie. And like I said, this is like my one of my closest friends. Um she was on the show sharing his story. So we've we've talked about these these things that have happened to him in his life. We've laughed about it many times. He thinks it's just as amusing, painfully amusing, as I do. And so there was no damage done to his to him for me laughing along with him at this story. Um and so I just think it's fucking hilarious because I think that the guys who got all butthurt about that story, um, it probably there was something about that that really triggered some deep-seated insecurities that they have, and they wanted to like lash out on me. But anyway, I fucking love that episode. I love that story. This is the reason why I asked him to come on the show and share it because I was like, this story is so fucking awesome. Anyway, it's called Crushing Defeat. That was episode number four. Um, and then the third most downloaded episode from 2025 was episode number 10. And this one was called Pussy Free Cuckolding from their wedding day. So, this is a couple who came on and talked about um their dynamic in their cuckolding relationship. And I don't know what it is, but there's something about when you mention pussy-free marriage or pussy-free relationship, it is almost like I don't know what it is. There's this real hook for guys that you're just like, oh my God, wait, what? This couple's actually doing it. Like, this is such a wild fantasy, but seems so extreme for so many guys. And so, for a couple to come on and talk about what that's actually been like them for them, I can totally understand why there was a lot of interest in that episode. So that was Pussy Free Cuckolding from their wedding day, uh, episode number 10. So uh if you haven't listened to those three, you should probably bookmark them and make sure that you have a listen because I think you'll love them. All right. The last announcement that I have for the show is um I am putting a shout out. I've already put something out on my socials about this, but I'm doing it on the podcast as well. I would really like to have some more women as guests on the show to talk about their cuckolding relationship or what it's been like for them, for them to share their story. I'm not looking for experts or you know, people who are very super experienced or anything like that. I would like to find some women who have been introduced to this kind of relationship and uh who have I would love to share their story about what it's been like for them on the show. So if anyone listening knows of anybody, any women who would like to share their story, if there's any ladies listening and you'd like to share their story as a guest on the show, uh, you can certainly uh just send me a message and that's uh you can send me an email at Venus at VenusCuckledris.com or you can use the contact form on the website venuscuckledress.com. Uh, on just click on the link that says contact and you can reach out that way. So hopefully I will be able to share some more of the female perspective for 2026 on the show. All right, that's it for announcements. Now let's jump into this episode with Doc Chocolate and Fun Charlie to talk about how to find the right bull for you. Here we go.

SPEAKER_01:

So today on this episode, it is Doc Chocolate and Fun Charlie and Venus. And we are three's company. Okay. I was waiting for a courtesy laugh. But uh, anyways, hey, solve it. So what we're going to talk about in today's episode is finding a bull. So there's many of you couples out there. Maybe you're cuck couples, maybe you're hot wife couples, whatever you want to call yourself. Uh the question and the matter and the search is still the same. You guys are all trying to find bulls, such as myself. Uh am I a bull?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01:

Cool. I don't have horns or anything like that.

SPEAKER_03:

No, not yet.

SPEAKER_01:

Not yet. I do get a little bit horny.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

But a little. Maybe a lot. But we're gonna talk about uh how to find a bull, some of the issues that some of you couples, even ladies, are going through once you are trying to find a cup, uh, a bull. So uh Venus, uh let's start off with you. Like, what type of adventures have you been through when you have been trying to find a bull in your journey?

SPEAKER_00:

It's a never-ending fucking struggle. It is the probably the mo one of the most common questions I've I've had over the last 10 plus years in this lifestyle is how to find the right bull. Um, and and why is it so fucking hard? Uh so this is what I get get asked all the time. I mean, all the fucking time. And uh so I've had, you know, years and years and years to think about it. However, I've also struggled with this myself because I uh enjoy being in this lifestyle, even though uh I've spent a lot of it as a single woman. I still really enjoy my bullfriends in my life. And uh finding them hasn't always been easy, or finding the right ones hasn't always been easy. So I understand the struggle. I fucking get it. I've been through some of the shit that you all have been through, too. All of the fucking catfishing, the ghosting, the fucking pictures that don't actually belong to the person, like, you know, all of that shit or are just fucking complete disasters. So I the struggles, the frustration is real and I get it and I feel it, and it's it's been hard. However, I went from living in a really big city for all of my life to this year, or not this year, six months ago, moving pretty far away. And now I live in a much smaller city, and holy fuck, this struggle is real, and I have had zero success. So let's talk about it.

SPEAKER_01:

He's like, please, let's talk about it. And okay, real quick question uh, ladies, and either one of y'all can answer this, but why do you think these people, these dudes are out here catfishing and sending pictures that don't belong to them? Because, like, on the opposite side of the spectrum, I get that, right? I'll get pictures of these beautiful, gorgeous ass ladies, right? And you know, they'll say, you know, send me a picture of Venus or send me a picture of Charlie, be like, oh, this is me. And I'm like, that ain't you. Yeah, no, right? No, no, no. And then yeah, and then I'll ask them, I'll say, okay, send me a picture of you holding three fingers by your face and they disappear. Yeah, yes, they fucking disappear because of catfishing. Why do they do that?

SPEAKER_02:

I think I I think those guys like the it's it's just like they get as much out of you as they can and then they move on to the next person because they have the fantasy of like talking it out and stuff, and you know, I think a lot of people fall for it.

SPEAKER_01:

So they get off on that.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Once you say, hey, prove that you're a real person, then they're like, ah crap, it's over. I gotta find another person.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, so and they do that to you ladies as well. So like let's say um in Venus's standpoint, right? You know, uh some guy will send you a picture of some dude that looks like Idris Elba and trying to say that that's him. And like like I I don't get it.

SPEAKER_02:

I I don't does it happen, I don't know if it happens as much to men, the catfishing, as it does for women. Um, I find with bulls more I get promises that they don't intend to keep or can't keep. Like, oh, I'm gonna do this to you, I'm gonna do that to you, I'm gonna, this is gonna be the most of me. And then they get there, they last two minutes, and then they're gone. And it's like, dude, if you wouldn't have not promised me all that crap, then you know, this could have been a yeah, it's I have the most embarrassing story, you guys.

SPEAKER_01:

We want to hear it. Three somebody, baby.

SPEAKER_00:

This is way back in the beginning, before I started podcasting. This is back when I was just blogging, like way like a decade ago. And I was naive, okay, you guys. I didn't not know about this whole issue around like catfishing and shit like that. And so I was just not as careful as I should have been. Anyway, I don't even remember where I came across this guy, but he he was like apparently a black guy, and he apparently had his like really huge dick, and he sent me pictures, and I was just like, wow, like wow. Anyway, him and I were chatting and he had all sorts of excuses about why he couldn't meet up and whatever. And oh my god, it took three months, three fucking months until I realized that I was being catfished, you guys. I had no idea. First of all, my God, okay, first of all, I saw one of the photos that he had sent me as his own on Fet Life, and I was like, wait a minute, that's not yours. And he had like cropped out this watermark, so I was like, what the fuck? Oh my god, what is this? So then I I googled his phone number because we'd been texting. Oh my god, you guys, it was it wasn't even a black guy I was talking to, it was a fucking old ass white guy. And when I googled his number, it was like this page uh showed up and it was on a church website. Like this guy, it was his like he was part of some church group, and I was like, what the fuck? I immediately blocked him, but I was just like, Whoa, what like I can't believe I talked to that guy for three fucking months. Like I felt like my privacy was violated. I and I felt so stupid, I was just like, oh my god. After that, yeah, I learned a few things, but I've still been catfish since then. And you're right, it's about it's about uh guys who promise a lot and then can't deliver. Yeah, you're all blurry.

SPEAKER_02:

No, I know it's like I don't understand that because it's like eventually you are gonna have to meet, or or say you can't meet, and it's like, so what I the only thing I can think of for that situation is it's the fantasy of, and I think some people get off on just fucking with people, like yeah, yeah, causing pain, you know.

SPEAKER_01:

And I think that's what it is too, because they already know that at the end of the day there needs to be some type of finality to that, right? You know, and they know that they're never gonna meet up with you in person, you know, and it's like they they just get off on fucking with you.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah. Which is well, there there was a uh what I find is was most common uh is uh guys who are dick fishing, so they're catfishing with their dick, so they're using other guys' dick pics as their own. And it was really funny because um there's a friend of mine who does events and she was organizing a meet and greet, and uh and she so I was going through the lit list of people who are interested in going, and two of the guy black guys on her list uh that were interested in going each had the same dick pic. And I was like, Oh god, which I bet this doesn't even uh belong to either one of you.

SPEAKER_02:

What are the chances? Right, unless they're a really famous porn star or something, what are the freaking chances?

SPEAKER_00:

But uh, doc, to go back to what you said about like this is uh or it might be maybe it was you, Charlie, about this happening uh more to women than men. Um I think it happens a lot on both sides. I think that um, but I think it's more malicious when guys get catfished, uh, when there's women pretending to be a hot wife, oh, I'm looking for a cuck or whatever like that. This is more deceptive, it's more malicious, it's of bad intentions, it's usually some scammer who's pretending to be a woman. And I know this because like I got contacted on Fet Life by this guy who was like, this is what I do. Like, I pretend to be a woman, I scam these guys out of all this money. And but this one really rich guy wants to actually meet in person. Do you, Venus? Do you want to pretend to be this woman that I've been pretending to be and you'll make all this money? I'm like, Are you fucking serious? So I think there's just a lot of that shit happening going on too. So whereas I find like when it's um, you know, a bull catfishing, it's just there, it's uh it's probably a white dude, and he's just wanking his wiener to the idea of, oh, I get to be a bull for today. This is really hot.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

That makes sense.

SPEAKER_02:

That makes sense. It does. Yeah. So that's gotta be a fan.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay. So getting back to the the point of or the discussion of uh how to find a bull, right? Uh, my two cents on it is that obviously it's gonna be easier for you ladies, you couples, to find a bull if you live in a metropolitan area. Yeah, right. So if you're living in, let's say, New York or Dallas or Houston or Chicago, uh, mediocre white man's tears. Wow. You you had all you distracted me all types of way, Venus. I just okay, so those of you guys who listen to the audio, uh, Venus pulled up her coffee cup and it says mediocre white man's tears. And then I was like, tears, that is hilarious.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, SNKcollective.com. They have the best shirts and the best mugs.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh yeah. Oh man, okay, look, make me forget what I was talking about.

SPEAKER_00:

So big cities, big cities, big cities, big cities.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, so when you live in big cities, you can probably find big black dicks. Big cities, big dicks, right?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, the odds are better.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, odds are better, right? But if you're living in, let's say, uh areas that are a little bit scarce in the black gold resources, like Utah or Idaho. Or Idaho. The whitest of white places, the northwestern parts of the US or you know, Canada, you know, it's uh kind of rough, right?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

So the question is like, what do you do? And let's brainstorm this, right? So uh my take, uh, and you ladies can jump in. I already have some ideas, but I want to hear from you ladies.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, I thought you were gonna okay.

SPEAKER_01:

Your ladies.

SPEAKER_02:

Venus, you've done you've done this for a longer. You go, you start, I'll like I'll uh add if I have anything. I'm not sure I have much.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. The the problem with um uh finding trying to find somebody in a smaller location or smaller place, for the problem for a lot of people is discretion. Like they do not want to bump into someone that they know or someone who they don't know but is connected to people they know. So the possibility of getting outed is pretty high. This is a big fear factor for so many couples out there, and I get it. Like I completely understand why this would be a deal breaker. And for for those couples, honestly, it's just a matter for many of them, it's just a matter of, okay, well, we're just gonna go to a different city or town for the weekend and find somebody there. And that's the makes it safer. They're probably not gonna bump into somebody that they know, but it's not always convenient and it's not something you can always make happen on the regular for a lot of people. So alternatively, you're stuck with no other option but to look locally. And the dating apps completely suck ass, like they're just fucking horrible. I have had very little um luck with FetLife. And there's dating apps like Field, which can be helpful because it's for people who are open minded and kinky. Um But I will tell you from the female perspective, being on those apps, on that app anyway, you there are tons of uh guys on that app who are just looking for pussy. They're not actually kinky, even though they're like, oh, I'm down for whatever.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Super open-minded, but you know, whatever you want, just tell me. And it's like, I know, I know you don't you just want me to open my legs. That's all it is.

SPEAKER_02:

I'll tell you whatever they can tell you to whatever. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

So yeah, you can find some guys for sex on there. Are you going to be able to find a bull, the kind of bull that you're looking for? Probably not, but it is more likely that you're going to find somebody open-minded there. And then there's the issue of like, okay, well, do you put your picture on your profile? A lot of couples will just put like a picture of the two of them with that's just like shoulders down. And so people can get an idea of your body type, and that's cool. That's fine. But eventually at some point, you're going to have to show them what you look like. You can't be so scared about being outed that you can't move forward to meet up with this person. Yeah. So yeah. So the dating app sucks. Fet life sucks. Like it all fucking sucks. So take it from me. It sucks. There's I have no great options for you there. People contact me all the time and they're like, Well, you have a matchmaking service for cuck holding. Why don't you have one for couples and bulls? I'm like, that would be so fucking hard because you have to have in order for it to be successful, you'd have to have a gazillion people signed up everywhere in North America. And you just wouldn't be able to. Even um, like there's that chirp app, which is for guys who are looking for an FLR. Um, great app, but they're the biggest complaint is that there's nobody locally. It's like you can't have a successful matchmaking anything unless you have like a whole bunch of people around you. And to do that, you need tons of people signing up, which in this little niche of a fucking lifestyle is probably not gonna happen.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, and that's a good point, right? And so my contention, and I know we've discussed this before in the past, is if you what if you want something good, you have to import it into you.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, right?

SPEAKER_01:

Yes. And so, and I mean you will think that it's a simple solution, but uh uh there's well, yeah, well, it's harder than it sounds, but uh, but I feel like the issue with that is because uh a lot of couples or even ladies are like, oh well, I'm not I'm not I'm not gonna pay to fly fly this motherfucker down here, you know. But the thing is, like men have been doing it for ages, you know. Like how many times have you heard of like you know, Russian, you know, male order brides or Asian male order brides or whatnot, right? Yeah. If I'm a single dude and you know, like like let's say I live in the middle of nowhere, if I want a you know, hot little woman, you know, hey, maybe I go order a bride. Even though that kind of but whatever, you know. But you're talking about uh you want some black dick and you want some VIP black dick, you want some quality dick, you want some dick that you know is gonna get hard and it's not gonna go limp, and you want a good looking dude, and you want a guy that's a gentleman, you know, you're probably not gonna find it in Walla Walla, Washington, you know. And so if you're uh if you're really adamant about finding it and you don't want some like hood dude off the street that's missing some teeth, you may need to buy this dude a ticket to fly out there. You may need to buy him a hotel room and do something in order to get what you want. It's called equal exchange. That's called economics, supply and demand.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I'm a big fan of importing the chocolate, and up until now, it's there's no tariffs on it. So we're good. Nice.

SPEAKER_02:

That was good.

SPEAKER_01:

That was basically her way of saying, fuck Trump. We're not getting political though.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah. For right now, I mean, I in the past have gone um to the US to my favorite bullfriends, and I have enjoyed that because it's a fun, you know, weekend away. It's a nice little trip. I get to see my favorite guys, and it's just great. But I don't know if anybody's noticed or not, but us polite, friendly, little lovely Canadians have been boycotting our travel to the US, and myself included. So I have not been to the US for a hot minute and I miss my chocolate. So I uh have been, you know, importing the chocolate to Canada, and um, that's been great. I did that uh a few months ago with Mo from San Diego and enjoyed a whole fucking weekend with him. And oh my God, it was fucking amazing. And that was in Vancouver. So um I'm a big fan, and yes, absolutely you should be doing that. If you have somebody who you know you're comfortable with or you you have a pretty good idea that you're gonna be comfortable with, oh, for all the cucks who are listening to uh to this right now, for all the husbands, buy the fucking ticket, okay? Do it better yet, pay for everything for the bowl to come, okay? For fucking everything. Give him a fat ass tip too, because I mean, like he's he's gonna dick her down so good, and you're just gonna fucking have the best cuck life you could possibly imagine. Like, fucking go for it. Yeah, that's how I feel about that.

SPEAKER_02:

I agree, and um, and something that I've learned since I've been with you and uh and in content creation in general, I think uh I think we get a little spoiled because if you're in a swinger and you're in the lifestyle and stuff, if you basically there are so many single guys in the life in swinging lifestyle that if you're like, hey, this lady needs to get fucked, there's 10 guys there ready to do it. But if you are a a couple or a single woman looking for a bull, a good bull, you there's they have so much pussy available to them. You cannot just dangle pussy, you can't just go, hi, my wife needs to get fucked. I should have like 20 guys wanting to fuck her, even if she's hot. They have all these ladies all around. It's like and it's it's becoming more and more popular. So it's it they're get they're in more and more demand. So you have to at least make their efforts, especially if you find a good one. You have to make their efforts worth it. You have to make, you know, and you just can't imagine. I just can't, you just can't expect them to show up and do all of this amazing stuff to your wife and then just go home. You know, it's like make it worth your while. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02:

Especially the good ones.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, and and I mean, people will hit me up, right? You know, so maybe they see a little bit of my porn and whatnot. And, you know, I'm as lovely as your wife may look, you know, um, I'm not gonna go in there and fuck her in 15 different ways and pick her up over my head and throw her around and spin her around like she's a pizza and shit like that. And like you're not gonna compensate me. You know, I'm gonna go out of my way. I don't, I don't need to, yeah, you know. Um, and I've had this experience where uh people uh would hit me up on uh Twitter, Twitter DMs, and uh they want, let's say, a gang bang set up for them, right? And so one guy, you know, he said, I want five black guys, you know, five muscular black studs. Okay, I can do that. You know, I have like a nice store of nice little catalog. It's like a Sears Robocking company catalog. And and he's like, Okay, I love this and that's happened, this and that's happened, right? And he, I'm like, well, you can do that. Yeah, and then okay, price tag. Uh oh I can't do that. That's I mean, and I'm like, hey, look, it's okay if you don't have the the money. Oh no, no, no, no, no. I have the money, it would just be like like beneath us to pay that amount of money to do that. Like, we're visiting Vegas. I my wife is gorgeous. I could just go to a bar and pick up people. Yeah, and I'm like, bitch, get real. That's not gonna fucking happen. Like, okay, so let's go over the logistics of this, right? And I and I was breaking it down for him in a very, very simple manner because he was a subtlety.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm like, okay, you and your wife could go out there and maybe find one guy that's good looking, okay? Uh, matter of fact, your wife by herself, she could go out there to the bar, and she was a good-looking woman, you know. Yeah, she'll pick up guys, you know, but just her and that guy, not you involved in the room stroking your cock on a chair looking at them. Yeah, you know, that that dude's gonna be like, no, this is some weird shit. Yeah, right. But okay, maybe there's a 50-50 chance that the dude is into that kinky shit. Okay, okay, but you're not gonna find three, four dudes that look good, that are muscular, that can get their dicks hard, that can do all types of circus maneuvers with your wife and do that shit for free. I was like, good luck with that. And I said, Hey, you tell me how that works. Yeah, you know, matter of fact, I think the couple were were coming from Canada.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. And then they they decided to decline, and then they hit he hit him up again on the day they were here, thinking he wouldn't have he, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

It's like, no, now and I said, now it's triple the price.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, like being ridiculous.

SPEAKER_01:

So it's like and I want the money up front too. It's insane, you know?

SPEAKER_00:

Yes. I I know I've I know we've talked about this before, doc, but like um I I really do feel strongly about this. That it's uh it's unfortunate that in this lifestyle there is this everything related around the fantasy of it, the facilitation of making this all happen for real, is built on the idea that this is just something that will naturally, magically just happen because it is it's it's how it is in his fantasies that he's been thinking about for 10 or 20 years that is just magically gonna happen. I mean, think about all the porn scripts that make this seem like it naturally happens. Like, oh, the wife is just walking down the street and she just bumps into this group of black guys and she's like, Hey, you want to come over? And they're like, Yeah, let's do this. You know, it's just like it's just so magically fucking just all of a sudden, ooh, it's just it just happened. And like, yeah, and so we unfortunately the fantasy around cuckolding is built around the whole idea that this is just there's no planning involved or hardly any, and that it's just gonna be this random stranger, and he's just gonna love it so much, and she's just gonna be like 10 orgasms deep, and it's just gonna be like the wildest thing that they ever fucking experienced. Meanwhile, for real, and this is the goes back to the reason why that I people have been bombarding me with this question about how to find the right bull for the last 10 years, is that you're gonna have to sift through, wade through a sea of shit in order to find one maybe good guy, and then something will happen, and you're back to square one and you're like, holy fuck, we gotta look again, we gotta deal with all these fakes, flakes, losers, and catfishers and dudes that are just not who they say they're gonna be or whatever. And they're frustrated as fuck, and they're almost to the point where like this is just we're gonna we wanna give up. Like, we don't want, we don't wanna do this. Is not fun, like trying to find a guy is not fun, and then there's me and Doc screaming out there like just fucking pay for it. Make it happen the right way, how you want it, and I say this is about hiring someone to fulfillitate your fantasy. This is out what the fuck Venus's pussy just did. She's getting excited. But I I I feel like this is somebody to facilitate your fucking fantasy. If there was something important to spend money on, this is fucking it. Because how many times have we thought about like, okay, she's agreed to do this this one time? She's like, I will try, I will try it. Okay. And so it better be what she wants. It better be a good experience. Otherwise, hubby knows like this will never fucking happen again. Like this one and only fucking chance. Why are you relying on some fucking random stranger from the internet who just wants pussy as a fucking reward? Why are you taking that kind of risk with some fucking dude who doesn't give a fuck? Who's just like, this shit's kind of weird, but I just want to get my dick wet. You know?

SPEAKER_02:

He has no plan for an uh multiple hours of fantasy. He has no plan. No, no clue. And you're lucky if he'll get it, be able to get it up with another guy in the room, and you're even luckier if he can do it for more than five minutes with another guy in the room, you know?

SPEAKER_00:

And likely he's gonna be nervous as hell, and and she's gonna be nervous, and the sex gonna be shit because they're both fucking nervous. And like, do you really want that to be the way it goes down? I hate to be a boner killer right now to all the dudes listening, but like, come on, really.

SPEAKER_02:

It is, it's it's crazy, it's crazy. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, and the thing is, okay, uh, back to something that uh uh you said, uh you have one chance, right? Because for 90% of these guys out here, these couples, you know, yeah, they've talked to their wife, and the wife is like, okay, yeah, I do want to do this, but I'm very, very apprehensive because the woman is always more apprehensive than the guy. Yeah, you know, the guy's the one who's always setting it up, you know, at least with me. And so the woman is apprehensive, but she's like, okay, okay, Frank, okay, let's do this. But it better be a damn good time, right? Yeah. So you got one time, and you fuck up that one time by putting it to chance.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

That makes no damn sense whatsoever to me.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. And then, and but the to go to go back to your story about the guy who was like, I could never pay for that. Like, that's just gonna ruin my boner. Like, that doesn't align with my fantasy of this just fucking falling into place like it's supposed to. It's like, okay, so now you're you're laughing. He's probably was not able, I guarantee you, not able to fucking pull a gang bang. And if he was, I'm sure it was not the best experience because I know I haven't had a gangbang yet, okay? We all know this. I'm waiting for my wedding night if I ever get married.

SPEAKER_01:

But you've been for the bubble for like five years.

SPEAKER_00:

A long time. Okay, it's been a minute, but anyway. Um, I know that if and when I do do that, I want five guys who I am very comfortable with. Right. I do not want some fucking random dudes who just signed up to get their dick wet. Like, no thanks. Like, I want it to be memorable. I want to really enjoy myself. And I want these guys to enjoy themselves too. I want them to be comfortable with each other and with me. I want this to be a special experience, not just some fucking, I don't know. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02:

Like it's just that's why I haven't had one either. It's like I I it there, it's it, I don't want to just go in and have like five randos, you know, that I don't know. And it's just like one fuck party and comes everywhere. It's like that's that's it, that's part of it, but it's that's not I want guys that I'm comfortable with that I know so we can all have fun. Yeah, and it's not just them fucking me, and you know, yeah, I totally get that.

SPEAKER_00:

Have I ever told you this story about um way back when, like a long time ago, I was myself and my best friend, my girlfriend, we signed up through a Craigslist ad, okay?

SPEAKER_01:

That's a Craigslist list.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, fucking love that. Oh, I had so much fun on there. Anyway, it was dangerous as fuck, but still. Um, so it was an ad because it was a husband that was trying to fulfill his wife's fantasy, okay. Her fantasy was that she wanted to be blindfolded and lay it on a hotel room bed and have a group of other women come and just use her body, just have fun. Like just okay. So this was her fantasy. He wanted to facilitate this for her. And so they put this ad out. And when I there was probably about 10 women who were there, my myself and my girlfriend um included. And the way that they did was they rented out this beautiful hotel room that had, you know, two rooms. So he was in the other room just to be there, but not be there, you know? And but we all met in the lobby of the bar. And it was this woman, and I don't remember her name, who was the facilitator. And she uh it was not the wife, it was just this woman. And so she kind of hung out with us, told us like what to expect and stuff like that. And we all had a drink together, and then we went up to the room together, and she kind of got things started for everybody, so to you know, get things moving with the play and stuff like that. And it wasn't until after when somebody mentioned, oh, I think she was actually uh paid to do, like, to do that. And I realized, oh yeah, she probably was. And so that how smart of them to say, okay, we have this fantasy, we want to facilitate it, but we want somebody who's really gonna make this work and happen and be cohesive and like comfortable and everybody and flowing and like all the good things, but also someone to be there to make sure that they get what they want in this fantasy. And I was like, that's fucking really smart. Why the fuck do we not do this with cuckolding?

SPEAKER_01:

I'm just saying, I mean we we we we have, we have, you know, like we coordinate, you know, but obviously, you know, it's like uh hey, hit up Doc Chocolate and he'll coordinate that shit. But it's because like um when you've done it before, you kind of know the good, the bad, and the ugly, right? So when it comes to gangbangs, I I know the good, the bad, the ugly. When it comes to orgy's, I know the good, the bad, the ugly, you know. Um, the more people, the more issues and variables are at play, and the more bullshit can happen. So, like, it was good that that guy had like, you know, paid that lady to coordinate that because it's like number one, she has to get like these 10 women who don't know each other. I mean, obviously you and your friend knew each other, but you know, she has to get you guys to, you know, mesh, yeah, and then get you guys comfortable, get that rapport built up, and then tell you guys, hey, this is XYZ A B C that's going to happen. And she's basically the the quarterback, yeah, you know, saying, Hey, do this and do that. And at the end of the day, uh the wife, she had her fantasy fulfilled, husband, because his wife had her fantasy fulfilled, got his fantasy fulfilled. Um, you ladies uh had a fun time, you know, and everything went good.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. Yeah, I love that.

SPEAKER_00:

I mean, it's it's such a fucking smart investment. Like, I don't know why people frown on the idea of this. I really don't, but um, the other thing that I did want to mention, other than just fucking hire someone to facilitate this fucking fantasy come true for you, which is just fucking do it, is um referrals from other women from other couples as being a really great thing. But I mean, you're if you live in a small town, you're probably not gonna get a referrals of anybody local. Like I'm but I mean, you can't if you do know other couples who are local to you, or you have a way of finding out if there are any other couples, like Fetlife has local kinky groups that. You can go and talk to people there. You can do that. Find other people in your area. And they're the, they're, they've done the work too. They've filtered through the fuckers. They know who's legit, who's not. Like, save yourself some headache and get referrals from other people in your area. And if you can't find referrals from other people in your area, then it could be just a matter of getting referrals for somebody who's far away, but you make a plan. Like, hey, in six months, we're gonna fucking do this amazing weekend out in some other city together and we're gonna do this. And in that time, it's just gonna be you're gonna tease the fuck out of your cuck and just be like, look, it's on the calendar. We're fucking doing this. And he'll love it. Okay.

SPEAKER_02:

Have you? Um, I've only been on one dating site, and I actually, I guess I technically did find a bull because I was the guy who brought me into the lifestyle, but um, have you ever tried okay cupid? I don't know if it's the same as it used to be, but um, it's very non-monogamous centered. I don't know if it would be the best for a couple necessarily, but it could be, it could work that way. But it's it's geared around like questions, quite uh questions you that are asked and answered, and the other person can't see your answers unless they answer the same questions. And the way I found um uh this person was we very much um had the same idea about sex that um basically we there there are some really seriously um focused sex questions. So we we matched on sex and the fact that you know we wanted to have fun or whatever, but we also wanted this and this. But it was probably the best most focused thing that I have come across that um, but I don't know if it's a still the setup the same, but it was really good. And there's a lot of lifestyle and non-monogamous people on there too.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I think that you can use any of the dating apps, any of the dating sites um to be able to look for a bowl. I mean, there's nothing stopping you from doing that unless they have unless like some crazy weird Christian website or something. I don't know. Um, but you can. And I have, I have used, I used Tinder for a long time and I was able at that time to find um some guys, but it was few and far between. And the most of the guys, if not all of them, had no idea about the lifestyle. So you're really working from a place of okay, no, I'm gonna have to really like teach this guy about all of this stuff and hope that this time that I spent invested in teaching this guy pans out.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Which sometimes yes, sometimes no.

SPEAKER_01:

I still remember you and Footboy.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, Footboy. Oh, he was great. Yeah, Footboy came from uh he came from FetLife. That was a long time ago, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

So tell Charlie about Footboy.

SPEAKER_00:

Footboy messaged me on FetLife for a year. I ignored every message um that he sent me, but he wasn't weird about it and he was not persistent. He was just kind, like, can I please just come over and and rub your feet, right? I he obviously had a foot fetish. And um, and yeah, and so he was like 21. Uh, he was young as shit. Okay. I'm not a pervert, okay?

SPEAKER_01:

But I don't he's like, I checked his ID and made sure he was of age.

SPEAKER_00:

But it was it was funny because like he lived at I he lived pretty close by. So anyway, so he would come over and yeah, he I I love receiving foot worship. I fucking love it. I don't know how women don't like it. I'm just like, this is the best thing ever. Um, so he he did that, but then I taught him to eat pussy like a fucking champ. And so thank you for that. Yeah, I I I always told him, like, you can thank, or your your future wife will thank me. Um, and so uh, but he ate ass like a champ, he ate pussy like a champ. He was so good. And I he really liked when I like actually fucking choked him with my feet down his throat. Like he loved that shit. He was yeah, kinky sweat. Whoa, your feet around his neck or in his mouth in his mouth until he was like gagging. He loved it. He fucking loved it. Damn, yeah. Um, so anyway, that was years he that he would come over and I would just like lay down in bed, watch, put on a movie, and just let him do his thing down there. And it was just great. I fucking loved it. Footboy. I I advocated uh for everybody to get a fucking footboy in your life, okay?

SPEAKER_02:

Shit, man.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, footboy, footboy, uh unfortunately, uh well, fortunately for him, um, found a girlfriend and I hadn't I had not heard from him since. Um, but since I moved to this new city, I did find a new footboy, but he's got he's got a new name. It's wizard boy, okay, because he's got wizard skills with eating pussy. And I mean it. I was just like, this is not natural, it's not normal. How the fuck do you know all this wizard shit about this? Like, like honestly, the best pussy eating skills I have ever, ever encountered in my entire life. And he it's something else, let me tell you, it's something else. Oh my god. Okay, first of all, his mouth. As soon as that guy puts his mouth on your pussy, you can tell right away when there's a champ in the room. Like he is next level because you're just like your mouth feels like like wow, I don't know the right word. But anyway, you're just like, damn. And then he's and then he does like this like combo thing with like his fingers and his tongue, and I was just like, what is this? What the fuck is this? It's so good. Oh my god. And then it just, yeah, the butt is extended, so like I'm talking like, hmm, yeah, you can be down there a long time doing all this amazing shit. And I was just like, I love it. I normally don't like like switching stuff up, but this guy has every fucking move, just like years of whoa, what the fuck? How do you even know this? So, anyway, okay, we're off topic. How to find bullshit.

SPEAKER_01:

Wizard boy. So wizard boy was delivering the goods to Dorothy.

SPEAKER_00:

It's amazing.

SPEAKER_01:

So, as uh she cleans up that pool of water in her seats. I'm like um, oh yeah, you too. You too. Um so do whatever you need to do, guys and couples, ladies, to get the bull that you want uh for your wife. Because anytime you have a fantasy, sometimes you need to invest to make that fantasy become a reality.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes.

SPEAKER_01:

And don't try and get caught up in the oh, we're gonna magically and mystically make this happen by happenstance, because guess what? It's not gonna happen now. And uh find yourself support in this party, whether it's myself or somebody else, you know. Yes, and this is me pitching myself. Um, but anyways, he is very good.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, I think you're welcome. Welcome.

SPEAKER_01:

Um, so uh and unless and I'll say this, you know, if somebody, even like uh Venus, she says that she will fly guys into her, you know, she's a beautiful woman, and even her, she's not like, oh, I'm not gonna pay to whatever, uh, I'm not gonna not pay somebody, you know, she will pay to get quality into her. So we'll just leave it at that.

SPEAKER_00:

My pussy gets what my pussy wants, okay?

SPEAKER_01:

She's not talking about the cat.

SPEAKER_00:

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